Friday the 14th Development Update

[mungee]

Thank you Luthier - I'm 100% behind you and, as a financial person, I understand that the sums have to work!!

I, like so many out there (perhaps silent), wish you and your team great success - IL-2 has given us so much enjoyment and I'm sure that CoD, and its sequels, will do likewise.

[Aty2]

I think their policy is wrong, work on the sequel and not finish Cliffs of Dover is a mistake, I don´t have more confidence in your products, to buy their, who assures me that the sequel will work 100%

[tomandre81]

In 10 years or so il2-cliffs of dover ends up like a "mod" where talented hobbyists and programmers have fixed the game, making it run smooth, with dynamic campaign and flawless multiplayer.
Similiar what happened to Falcon 4.0 wich was released in 1998 and in 2011 became Falcon BMS.

See you in 10 years!

[Matt255]

I’m sure most of you will agree that we have already supported our release more than perhaps any other developer in a similar situation.

It's not like you didn't have to...

I don't mind it that much. I think all this brabble about people feeling cheated for their ~50 €/$/£ (i myself paid half of that at release, but whatever) and posting that for over a year straight and still visiting these forums every day is also not really unamusing.

However, i sure hope that BoM will still be a massive improvement over the current CloD state (with beta patch), because i doubt many people will make the mistake of buying a 1c flightsim prematurely twice. And i doubt that BoM will have the same "support" if people don't buy it, because people post here that it's in alpha state and after BoM, i can't see another sequel that would have a similar potential as BoM or CloD.

[JG52Krupi]

Good to hear from you again luthier, thanks.

[naz]

Originally Posted by luthier

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The general plan is, after the milestone is submitted and accepted, we return to the now almost-final patch, cram as much as we can into it, and make it our final Cliffs of Dover patch. The next time it will be updated is when you install the sequel over it.

I cant speak for anyone else, but this part is important for me. Hopefully you can get the sequel to the level you and we hope for and Cliffs will therefore also benefit.

Good luck and cheers.

EDIT: lol ... just saw the posts above mine saying essentially the same thing posted as I was typing.

Luthier said:

I’m sure most of you will agree that we have already supported our release more than perhaps any other developer in a similar situation.

No, not agree I'm afraid. One disaster heaped on another.

Perhaps some concessionary truth about the past would earn goodwill for the future. Glossing over things and putting standard-issue spin on the situation helps no-one.

Black Six has been doing such a good job managing the forums and interacting with the community that it really allowed me to sit back and just focus on managing the product.

BlackSix has been the fire buffer between the forum and the devs and placed in a very difficult position, and sometimes made to look ridiculous (perhaps through no fault of his own, and nothing to do with his command of English). The answers he has given (or been allowed to give) have been oddly-worded, idiosyncratic, sometimes evasive, sometimes oddly whimsical, sometimes banal, and have often turned out to be factually incorrect.

This is suggests the supply of information to Blacksix has not been thought out very well, if at all. It also suggests a distinct lack of anythign resembling coherent project management.

The number of dissenting voices on here is not high, so I thought they should be adequately represented. In short the reaction to Clod has been awful, not that you would often guess it from this forum in recent months. This is a fact, not a slight against the forum.

[planespotter]

Originally Posted by falstaff

luthier said:



No, not agree i'm afraid. One disaster heaped on another.

Perhaps some concessionary truth about the past would earn goodwill for the future. Glossing over things and putting standard-issue spin on the situation helps no-one.



Blacksix has been the fire buffer between the forum and the devs and placed in a very difficult position, and sometimes made to look ridiculous (perhaps through no fault of his own, and nothing to do with his command of english). The answers he has given (or been allowed to give) have been oddly-worded, idiosyncratic, sometimes evasive, sometimes oddly whimsical, sometimes banal, and have often turned out to be factually incorrect.

This is suggests the supply of information to blacksix has not been thought out very well, if at all. It also suggests a distinct lack of anythign resembling coherent project management.

The number of dissenting voices on here is not high, so i thought they should be adequately represented. In short the reaction to clod has been awful, not that you would often guess it from this forum in recent months. This is a fact, not a slight against the forum.

+1000

Support for fixing CloD has not been good (compare yourselves to Rise of Flight, or DCS? You cannot) - still the game has not the features promised on launch, i won't list the huge list of things broken or missing we all know them, and now you expect people will buy your sequel? You say yourself you are not proud of it.

Sorry but I must conclude 1C does not live on the same planet as we players (and, I point out, PAYERS).

To discuss the work on CloD as dragging down your bottom line and sending into the red, please reconsider. Fixing CloD is an investment in your future, encourage people to buy your sequel. Why should they when you do not fix what is broken, it will be the same for the sequel.

UNLESS YOU MAKE THE SEQUEL FREE OR BIG DISCOUNT FOR PLAYERS WHO MADE THE MISTAKE TO BUY CLOD.

[Stirwenn]

As some Posts above, Luthier.
Thanks for the comm.
One question : how could you expect to me buying your sequel if you do not fix the basis of original product ? Give me a proof to trust in you.

[kristorf]

All I can really say is 'we will see', so many knock backs already for the forgotten segment in this farce, the customer, that I will believe it when its out and working.

However, if I am reading this properly there will be a patch for CLoD, that will fix some of it, but for the finished product (paid for many months ago) we will need to shell out more £/$?