Performance data for VVS aircraft?

[JG52Karaya]

From my experience of looking at Soviet test data, the most important thing is to differentiate between testing of serial produced aircraft and so called "etalon" production standard setters, the latter usually being way better than anything that ever came out of a factory to front lines units and thus being completely unrepresentative.

[Korn]

Soviet aircraft had notoriously bad manufacturing standards, especially early in the war when they needed many machines fast. Much more so then any other country. So differences between a test plane and a real fighting plane could be huge, depending on batch and even on an individual basis.

Also the commie propaganda machines would make sure to crank up to numbers for "morale".

Sorry for my poor english, i'm in a hurry.

[Danelov]

The Yak family is good covered in the "Le Fana de l' Aviation". Numbers allround of the 300th. Of course, in french.

[TomcatViP]

Yeah tht was a huge series of good articles on the Yacks and La's. From Yehfim Gordon I think. Charts (credible ) were included. Do you remember the Mustang story that went at the same time ?

The Yack were so good starting from the 9 series that they had an edge at low alt. The bad points were concern with visibility, skin smoothness due to wood and moisture and wing airfoils that were fairly outdated.

Regarding marksmanship of large wood panels man hve to remind that the Soviet mastered this techniques and although it was not durable it could produce really good result.

At the end of the war French air Force had late Fw, Spits and Yack 3 tested against each other by vets in a dogfight scenario. The Yack3 went out of the top !

[TomcatViP]

Are you talking abt the guy that did land a 25 in japan for the reward ?

[CaptainDoggles]

Well I got hold of Самолетостроение в СССР which has some nice charts in it. Are there others out there? From what I gather it's necessary to go in person to the Russian national archives because they refuse to send out copies.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Perhaps you need to read real historical documents, over 50% of all Soviet operational losses were none combat related. Less than two months after the war ended with Japan, the chief of the VVS was officially executed.

No one even comes close......

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Perhaps you need to read real historical documents, over 50% of all Soviet operational losses were none combat related. Less than two months after the war ended with Japan, the chief of the VVS was officially executed.

No one even comes close......

What does this have to do with performance curves?

[TomcatViP]

Crunch,

we all know that VVS aircraft until 1944 had a lower standards in term of manufacturing qualities.

But 50% combat loss is far from an argument. Most airforces had far greater "non-combat losses" than anything. This is especially true with single engined aircrafts. And a standard figure in recent days.

And as for Stalin special treatment toward potential icone that could challenge his image you might re-read your history book to understand that Stalin's execution were far from being related o the competencies of individuals.

Pls remind that the history if the 20th century is a bag full of fresh eggs that you'd be cautious about when it comes to step on

~S