p38 defense

[dimlee]

Good to know that P-38 remains attractive despite many new planes added to the game.

Hey, no P-38 discussion should go without "McGuire's Rules"
- Never attempt combat at low altitude.
- Never let your airspeed fall below 300 mph.
- Never keep your wing tanks on in a fight.
(yes, there are some variations with different alt and speed numbers, but general idea is clear).

I undersign most of comments above but suggest to think twice before to use brakes or flaps and/or to dogfight too low where you have no rooom to dive and escape or to exit from a stall (yes, McGuire's rules again and example of his own fatal mistake).

Jumoschwanz has mentioned good roll rate of late models and pitch management usefullness. Probably implemented in last IL2 versions? Good to know, it was different in old days before 4.07.

[Igo kyu]

Somewhere, I forget where (sorry, ), probably not here at all, someone said the Bf 110 was one of the best WW2 twin engined fighters. What about the P38, the whirlwind, the tigercat, maybe even the mosquito? If you exclude the single seaters then maybe the Bf110 makes the top three, but why would you exclude the single seaters?

[dimlee]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Somewhere, I forget where (sorry, ), probably not here at all, someone said the Bf 110 was one of the best WW2 twin engined fighters. What about the P38, the whirlwind, the tigercat, maybe even the mosquito? If you exclude the single seaters then maybe the Bf110 makes the top three, but why would you exclude the single seaters?

I can't imagine anyone claiming that seriously... despite my own love affair with Bf110 which I has flown hundreds hours in IL2.

[Jumoschwanz]

Historically the Bf110 has not shown up well. A smart pilot can cause a lot of trouble with it in IL2 though.

When the 110 first came out in IL2 it was better performing than it is now and quite a terror, but thankfully it was patched up and made to perform more like a large, heavy and average WWII aircraft that will not hold it's own against well-flown single-engine fighters.

One of my old memories of flying the 110 in IL2 was using it for ground attack at low altitude and hoping that someone would get on my six so I could take them out with a bomb. I don't know if I was the first to do it, but very early on I was setting a few seconds delay on bombs I was carrying and dropping them when for instance an La-5 would start following. I could switch to the gunner position and watch the La5 disappear as the two 500K bombs went off close to it. It was hilarious to watch and it surely pissed them off quite a bit.

Later I can remember someone did the same thing to me, I was after a P-38 being flown by a TUSA squad member and they took my FW190 out by dragging me over a few bombs they had dropped.

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by dimlee

I can't imagine anyone claiming that seriously... despite my own love affair with Bf110 which I has flown hundreds hours in IL2.

Yeah, you have to be very disciplined and retreat and run for cover very early to have success with the 110. In 1942-43 it's faster than almost all allied planes on the Eastern front at 6000m+, so if you're playing on a realistic server you could take advantage of that. It can turn with P-47s, which will often surprise the P47 pilot. Its leading edge slats give it decent low-speed stability, but it's a brick at low speed. I had great fun flying it on a Norway map against P-40s, Seafires, Mosquitos, and P-38s, though I'll admit that a part of my success there was my AI gunner doing a job on the P40s and Seafire's glass engines.

It's one of those underdog planes where it's very rewarding to get kills and survive. But all single-seater planes and most two-seater two-engined planes fly better than the 110: Pe-2/3, Ki-45, Beaufighter, A-20...

[dimlee]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

When the 110 first came out in IL2 it was better performing than it is now and quite a terror, but thankfully it was patched up and made to perform more like a large, heavy and average WWII aircraft that will not hold it's own against well-flown single-engine fighters.

That was one of my "disappointments" with Oleg. My favorite toy became a brick. I have to reinvent and to rethink my tactics. When I made my first kill in "new" Bf110 I was full of joy. Still remember it was P39.

[dimlee]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

Yeah, you have to be very disciplined and retreat and run for cover very early to have success with the 110. In 1942-43 it's faster than almost all allied planes on the Eastern front at 6000m+, so if you're playing on a realistic server you could take advantage of that. It can turn with P-47s, which will often surprise the P47 pilot. Its leading edge slats give it decent low-speed stability, but it's a brick at low speed. I had great fun flying it on a Norway map against P-40s, Seafires, Mosquitos, and P-38s, though I'll admit that a part of my success there was my AI gunner doing a job on the P40s and Seafire's glass engines.

It's one of those underdog planes where it's very rewarding to get kills and survive. But all single-seater planes and most two-seater two-engined planes fly better than the 110: Pe-2/3, Ki-45, Beaufighter, A-20...

Yes, agree. Real underdog requiring smart tactics and some luck, of course.
More realistic settings, more chances to survive.
Bf110 vs Pe3 was very interesting scenario, I've been on both sides and liked both planes.

[gaunt1]

Try the 110 against an AI Mosquito! It is suprisingly easy to shoot down the mossie! (obviously, against a human opponent, its much harder)
As for the Pe-3, its FM is fishy... Especially, its turn rate seems somewhat boosted, (second best after Ki-45) but Its entirely possible that Im wrong.

[KG26_Alpha]

Pe-3 is deadly.

Probably a optimistic FM