Did a player review of CoD over at Gamespot...

[Stanger]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

9.5? Reminds me of the Nobel Prize being awarded to a US president, based on the expectation that he won't go around bombing small countries that pose no significant threat...

+1 on that comparison.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

9.5? Reminds me of the Nobel Prize being awarded to a US president, based on the expectation that he won't go around bombing small countries that pose no significant threat...

Hey - I am from Sweden, so what do you know - maybe I'm in the Nobel Prize committee? I actually think it was rather clever, even though it was too obvious that it was done for the purpose you describe above But after thinking a while, I did lower my score on Gamespot to 9.0 as I don't think they will ever reach 9.5 which I had hoped for.

In this case people write reviews over at Gamespot giving the game between 1.5 and 2.5, claiming to have waited for the title for years - and when you read it you realize that one of them has even not bought the game yet! He gives it 1.5 on rumors! What good on earth is that for the future willingness to fund patching of this game by 1C? When the "normal" users goes to Gamespot and reads this on the US release - will they buy it? No way, and they will not wait a few months which I respect that some people do when reading of the bugs - they are lost.

As it is now Cliffs of Dover has a PC rank of 17 on Gamespot, so there are a lot of people reading this. But I am sure that Ilya is not. So if the ones givning it the axe over there really want them to fix the bugs - is this the best way to achieve that? They just kill the product, but I guess it's their way of saying thank you to the team that has struggled for six years with this and got pushed out on the dance floor by 1C/Ubisoft before getting their pants on. Yeah, we are real flight sim fans - so let them die for having that stuttering on the release day. They maybe fix it next week but that does not matter for us long time fans. They must die.

The thing is that IF the manage to completely fix the stuttering and gain 20-50% fps (which may happen as early as next week) - it WILL be a completely other game, even if there are many other things on the list to fix. In that case, will those persons that have given it 1.5 on a rumor go there and update their score? No way, it will stay there for all time to come. So if no one posts about the good stuff which is obvious to many of us that have an attention span of more than a few hour, who of the Gamespot readers will ever know that? Today it maybe has the highest hit ratio at Gamespot it will ever have? And sites like Gamespot and IGN are the major "recruitment" channels for new pilots to fill out the ranks of pilots lost over the channel

[nearmiss]

Put it where it hurts...

Two months ago know one knew Jack about when we could get the BOB COD.

I've read thousands of postings for the past six years, from the earlier days when UbiSoft and SimHQ were the principal voices on IL2 and it's successor.

During the past two years we have had a constant barrage of members on this forums hanging on every word from Oleg or Luthier. Any word about the BOB SOW from either of them brought a rush of discussion.

Everyone wanted the release, and many members haven't made an issue about a so-called "incomplete" BOB COD. These people are glad it is released, because they know the "REAL BETA" testing is in process.

The real testing begins when things get fixed that affect all kinds of system configurations. Already we are reading where performance variations don't make sense... yet the BOB COD is working well with some strange setups.

Strange things are happening. LOL

I love it, we have the BOB COD released. The BOB CD boxes are flowing out and the developer is in a frenzy to make as many people happy as possible... post haste.

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Some fixes may take awhile, but I venture to say within 60 days we will have an awesome CFS.

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

i agree with you on that nearmis, but ive heard that oleg has left 1c?. So if our beloved Oleg has left hasnt his brainchild?

[[RS]Boomer]

Great review Mazex, I couldn't have said it better. I just bought Cliffs of Dover yesterday morning and spent the whole day playing with it. I finally got it to run very smooth, averaging about 50 fps. I don't know why all these people have to bash the game and give it 2.0 score. Yes it has some problems but I know they will fix them. I couldn't have been happier about my purchase, Thank you 1C for this great game! And thank you to the person who posted about Justflight info(thats the only place you can get this game in the US), so I don't have to wait two more weeks

[MACADEMIC]

Originally Posted by mazex

Look here:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il-2-...html?id=760873

Do you agree? Go there and give the game a boost in that case by voting for the real game that most of us can see looking through the bad fps and stuttering that for sure will get fixed (along with stuff like force feedback support etc).

Nice review Mazex! I can't really comment myself because I don't have any personal experience with CoD (so far have played mostly Birds of Prey on PS3) but have been following here very closely. I hope you're right and the game will become deserving of your high anticipation!

MAC

[Blakduk]

I would endorse your review- there are definitely a few bugs to iron out but the flight model alone is a generation ahead of Il2.
I challenge anyone to play CoD of and jump back into Il2 and NOT agree what a huge leap forward it is in every way. Il2 honestly looks like an arcade game by comparison.
I expected Oleg to astonish me again, and he has.

[ICDP]

Originally Posted by mazex

Look here:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il-2-...html?id=760873

Do you agree? Go there and give the game a boost in that case by voting for the real game that most of us can see looking through the bad fps and stuttering that for sure will get fixed (along with stuff like force feedback support etc).

So let me get this straight, you wrote a review and gave CoD 9.0 based on what it "could be in the future, IF the developer decides to fix it"? Being a bit pressumptious and to be frank a bit of a blinkered fanboy there.

Who in their right mind gives a score based on potential fixes that might not even see the light of day. CoD does have potential but potential is not a tangible measurable thing, it is definatetly not something you can use to artificially bump up the score for what is essentailly a bug ridden mess right now.

At most CoD should be getting around 50% for effort and no more, certainly not 90 based on what might be and what you want it to be.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by ICDP

So let me get this straight, you wrote a review and gave CoD 9.0 based on what it "could be in the future, IF the developer decides to fix it"? Being a bit pressumptious and to be frank a bit of a blinkered fanboy there.

Well, the intention is to tell the story of how we have gotten the other titles in this series for spoiled 18-year old brats that usually only buy block buster titles from studios with budgets that compete the major Hollywood movie productions... Maddox Games is not a development studio with 200+ persons working on a title like Call of Duty. I guess that their QA department that is larger than the whole MG team. It is tough, but we are that QA team in many cases, like with other small developers. As it is now this game has been pushed out to early, but like I write - just flying that Moth over the channel proves to me that this game is a 9.0 when they just fix the major bugs...

But that is naturally only my opinion, which you have the right to challenge

[chappy]

Originally Posted by mazex

Well, the intention is to tell the story of how we have gotten the other titles in this series for spoiled 18-year old brats that usually only buy block buster titles from studios with budgets that compete the major Hollywood movie productions... Maddox Games is not a development studio with 200+ persons working on a title like Call of Duty. I guess that their QA department that is larger than the whole MG team. It is tough, but we are that QA team in many cases, like with other small developers. As it is now this game has been pushed out to early, but like I write - just flying that Moth over the channel proves to me that this game is a 9.0 when they just fix the major bugs...

But that is naturally only my opinion, which you have the right to challenge

if we are the QA team, then they should definitely have done what DCS did and open beta it for more widespread testing. that is in effect what is happening this very minute except we bought it with the expectation of a realease ready sim.
what would u score it right now if it was to not receive any fixes or improvements? i personally would score it about a 6.5