Should 1C/UBI make Steam optional?

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

ArmA II's own browser works just fine for both Steam and non-Steam users.

Cliffs of Dover would be better with a setup like that.

Quoted for truth.

I havent been reading much about the steam posts , I cant see what is the big deal though. I use steam , i'd rather download a game then have to use a cd crack , it's the same game as a cd version , who cares if it has some protection on it. It still works , who gives a crap.

[Les]

Originally Posted by Biggs

flat-out biased poll...

why was this even posted?

EDIT.. ROFL nice 'edit' OP... facepalm

I stated clearly from the outset the poll is deliberately biased, editing it to clarify why it was posted as some people didn't seem to be getting it.

Do I think this poll will be noticed and make a difference as to what 1C/UBI/Maddox do? Not really. Does that mean I shouldn't have tried? No, I don't think so. At least the numbers will be here for all to see, if people bother to contribute.

So, flame away, ignore it, whatever, there's an issue and I was trying to do something about it, by giving the potential customers of this product a way to show, in numbers, that they want a choice as to how they use it.

I don't know the ins and outs of Steam integration or whether the solution I suggested is possible, that's not the point. Where there's a will there's a way, of some kind or another.

Anyway, this is the last response I want to make about the subject. I've stated my position here and elsewhere. I'm not interested in arguing about it, the poll's here, people can make of it what they will.

[TheGrunch]

...but by creating a biased poll you have proved nothing because the people who don't want Steam to be optional won't vote and there's no way for anyone to estimate the numbers of these people as a proportion of the people who'd vote on the forum without messing about. If you'd just added another option it would actually show something.

[JG27_brook]

Originally Posted by Biggs

flat-out biased poll...

why was this even posted?

EDIT.. ROFL nice 'edit' OP... facepalm

So Y do want me to have Stream so much ?
If i want to buy hard copy with my own cash and want to play at HL and u are wanting to stop me?

becauese u like Stream?

Hmmm

[Heliocon]

sorry - got to say it! Stupid thread.

And no it should not be optional, that will make it easier to pirate.

[ElAurens]

The piracy boogyman is a non issue, as everyone knows it will be pirated within the first week of release, if not sooner.

I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

And I'd really like to know where that totally speculative "couple hundred" number comes from.

There is no way to judge the numbers simply by looking at postings on the 3 main forums in the West. Most users never ever post on a forum, or even play online. Ergo, most users don't need Steam.

And I still think that the numbers of additional sales to be had from marketing on Steam, which, BTW has yet to happen, are being grossly exaggerated as well.

Sure there will be some additional sales, you cannot argue against that, but it simply is not going to be the tidal wave of cash rolling in that the Steam supporters say/think it will be. Once the word gets out that this title is actually difficult to master, and requires a fairly hefty investment in equipment and time to do properly, the vast majority of FPS and MMO players will skip right on by, just as they do now.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The piracy boogyman is a non issue, as everyone knows it will be pirated within the first week of release, if not sooner.

I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

And I'd really like to know where that totally speculative "couple hundred" number comes from.

There is no way to judge the numbers simply by looking at postings on the 3 main forums in the West. Most users never ever post on a forum, or even play online. Ergo, most users don't need Steam.

And I still think that the numbers of additional sales to be had from marketing on Steam, which, BTW has yet to happen, are being grossly exaggerated as well.

Sure there will be some additional sales, you cannot argue against that, but it simply is not going to be the tidal wave of cash rolling in that the Steam supporters say/think it will be. Once the word gets out that this title is actually difficult to master, and requires a fairly hefty investment in equipment and time to do properly, the vast majority of FPS and MMO players will skip right on by, just as they do now.

Here we go again. Pretending that: a) only fps players, and mmo players use steam, and b) that there is no intersection where mmos, fps, and flight sims meet, and c) that anyone that plays fpses, or mmos can't handle a full switch flight sim. Have you seen the huge variety of titles offered on STEAM? It is surprisingly eclectic (i.e. represents every gaming genre). Also we know for a fact that Il-2 still has copies purchased on at very least a monthly basis. Can you guess where the purchasers are getting those copies? I'll give you a hint: it sure isn't box copies.

I started my gaming life as a flight simmer, and moved to fpses as the cfs genre died. I like fpses, I've played mmos (don't like them), and I fly full switch so take your strawman argument and put where your head is.

[ElAurens]

Yup, a few copies a month is sure an avalanche of sales.



In any case I will never convince you that CoD should be marketed with and without Steam, as you won't be happy until there is no other marketing channel than Steam, will you?

All that those of us that don't want to use Steam are asking for is choice.

That's all.

We are not saying you cannot buy it on Steam.

We just don't want it that way.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

And what is so wrong with that?

Oh, what is the largest selling game on Steam? Any idea?

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Yup, a few copies a month is sure an avalanche of sales.



In any case I will never convince you that CoD should be marketed with and without Steam, as you won't be happy until there is no other marketing channel than Steam, will you?

All that those of us that don't want to use Steam are asking for is choice.

That's all.

We are not saying you cannot buy it on Steam.

We just don't want it that way.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

And what is so wrong with that?

No, your assumption is incorrect. I have made that clear. I believe Valve's platform needs competition, but it needs to be just as easy and useful for the end user as STEAM is. What I dislike is your ridiculous arguments of why STEAM is bad. Don't put words in my mouth.