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[Danfried]

Add me to those people who feel that CGI still can't compare to footage of real planes. Battle of Britain is great, as is the Czech film Dark Blue World, which used computers to modify a lot of the unused footage from Battle of Britain! Much better than using all-CGI effects.

I also agree The Blue Max is awesome. It is also one of the few aerial combat movies that is interesting as a character study. The action is great too; the CGI in Flyboys looks ridiculously fake in comparison.

I don't want to veer off too far into science fiction shows, but I did love the dogfight between the Marine colonel and Chiggy Von Richtofen in Space: Above and Beyond -- awesome use of Beethoven's Funeral March for the music! Battlestar Galactica should get a mention -- almost every space battle was great -- but with the fighters moving realistically in space, it probably shouldn't be considered "dogfighting" anymore.

[kozzm0]

Originally Posted by edal86

I still need to see Blue Max and Firefox. I also have being waiting for the Red Baron to come out (it says "in theatres April" :S), I saw Flyboys lol.

I guess you must never watch TV if you've never seen The Blue Max. It's a great classic. Red Baron was released a while ago, it's been available on dvd and blu-ray for some time.

The US was nervous about the Soviet planes because they were confused by the mig-25 and the su-27, which they thought were the same plane. They thought it was a mach-3.2 plane that could also dogfight.

I don't think the US was ahead of the Russians as far as dogfighting planes went. Mig-29's can handle f-16's, and su-27's and f-15's are about even. The US has developed stealth but the Russians have developed OVT. Stealth tech won't last as long as OVT.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by kozzm0

I guess you must never watch TV if you've never seen The Blue Max. It's a great classic. Red Baron was released a while ago, it's been available on dvd and blu-ray for some time.

The US was nervous about the Soviet planes because they were confused by the mig-25 and the su-27, which they thought were the same plane. They thought it was a mach-3.2 plane that could also dogfight.

I don't think the US was ahead of the Russians as far as dogfighting planes went. Mig-29's can handle f-16's, and su-27's and f-15's are about even. The US has developed stealth but the Russians have developed OVT. Stealth tech won't last as long as OVT.

The Red Baron is out on DVD, but not here in the US. For some reason, they've decided to hold off on a US release or something? I would love to get my hands on a copy though, so maybe I'll have to get one from Amazon.de?

Anyway, I agree that OVT will last longer than Stealth tech. I mean there are no other countries in the world that are using stealth as an offensive measure besides the US. France, Britain, Germany, etc. etc. are all either keeping with what they have or just modifying their current stuff to accommodate the changing times. Russia is smart because they're not over thinking their bounds, and are keeping with OVT. While the US is definitely over thinking the situations. I don't think there are any current US enemies or threats that are using technology for or against stealth planes.