Lucas does Red Tails...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It wasn't a turn. He was stalling at the top of a loop.

yeah right...

you might have heard of torque at some point in your life, well mustangs come with buckets of it: at the top of a loop a Mustang (christ, even a T-6!) will tend to torque itself out of the upside down position, that tumble on top is mere sci-fi, unless you chopped your throttle on the way up, but then just a moron would do it, because you'd never reach the top, and surely you'd have enough momentum to make a mess of that. The mustang is an energy fighter, not an Extra 300..

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

yeah right...

you might have heard of torque at some point in your life, well mustangs come with buckets of it: at the top of a loop a Mustang (christ, even a T-6!) will tend to torque itself out of the upside down position, that tumble on top is mere sci-fi, unless you chopped your throttle on the way up, but then just a moron would do it, because you'd never reach the top, and surely you'd have enough momentum to make a mess of that. The mustang is an energy fighter, not an Extra 300..

You should go over the airshowbuzz and let that Mustang driver know where he got it wrong.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

You should go over the airshowbuzz and let that Mustang driver know where he got it wrong.

I don't need that David, thank you. You see, you're so narrow minded you think that any pilot out there that flies a warbird is a god, well you're very, very wrong. Some of them are good, some simply aren't, some other just like boasting improbable stuff just because, like you and me, are human beings.

NO warbird operator would ever attempt such manoeuvre, simply because it's beyond the edge of flight envelope, and frankly stupid, especially if you're flying a machine worth a couple of million dollars, which has a very temperamental torque, a laminar flow wing and a stall with no warning.

As a pilot of moderate experience and that also flies on warbirds, I can tell you that, again in my humble opinion and the one of other warbird operators (who commented on the trailer we watched together), that tumble is really unlikely to happen on a Mustang, and even if it did, it's probably cos the pilot screwed up big time: it's not a manoeuvre, it's a mistake.

Then again, feel free to believe in your reality.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I don't need that David, thank you. You see, you're so narrow minded you think that any pilot out there that flies a warbird is a god,

I don't think he's a god. I do think he knows more about what a 51 can do than do you.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

that tumble is really unlikely to happen on a Mustang, and even if it did, it's probably cos the pilot screwed up big time: it's not a manoeuvre, it's a mistake.

Or maybe it's a really desperate pilot hanging it out on the edge because he's got a really big pair?

I do find it humorous that your expert agrees that it could possibly happen, but I'm the one in the alternative reality...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

I don't think he's a god. I do think he knows more about what a 51 can do than do you.

ok David, you're right

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Or maybe it's a really desperate pilot hanging it out on the edge because he's got a really big pair?

I do find it humorous that your expert agrees that it could possibly happen, but I'm the one in the alternative reality...

No, the "big balls factor" is another silly badge that pilots like to decorate themselves with, but when they tell you these stories they know (and other pilots know) that they screwed up in the beginning, it's called human error, it happens and sometimes it claims the lives of pilots. In my airfield life I have met pilots of any kind: anybody can be a pilot, all you have to do is paying for flying lessons, being a good pilot is not something all can achieve.

I can hear a ww2 vet talking about this unlikely manoeuvre and be respectfuk to the man, smiling and listening for another hour, but when a modern warbird operator talks about the possibility of this kinda manoeuvre, my answer normally is "why don't you go up there and show us?", to which very few follow through. And believe me, sometimes it happened that the pilot went up there and showed us something that let us with our jaws scraping the hangar floor, but this is definitely a load of baloney.

My experts don't agree, finding it really unlikely is a sarcastic expression, I'm sure you heard of sarcasm. I am motivating the reasons why that is unlikely to happen, you at the contrary, are just opening your big mouth and blurting out nonsense, mainly intended to provoke a reaction of other members who, unlike you, also do contribute fruitfully to this space.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you at the contrary, are just opening your big mouth and blurting out nonsense

Actually, I haven't said anything. I have no idea whether it could happen, and neither do you.

[Strike]

WOw seriously guys, start your own PM(s) fight

You guys always go at eachother, like two dungbeetles fighting over some dung


Oh and don't drag me into this

On topic, either way if it were a stall or whatever it's too hollywood. That means it happens too fast, at too short distance. It's like a car would do a U-turn with the handbrake... Plane looses speed too fast, turns too fast, and fires without airspeed even. He would not be able to keep his nose up with that low airspeed so IRL it would have to be done in a vertical manner... Only did this once in IL-2, in a P-38 Got a zero after doing a stall-turn coming straight at him again. I totally won that day

[JG52Uther]

Any news on the new Dambusters film?
Obviously we won't mention the dog...