Freetrack interface use in IL-2:CoD

[swiss]

Originally Posted by vicinity

Even though many in the thread have admitted to being TrackIR users? If you don't want freetrack support fine, but why bother arguing against it when it would be an addittional feature that would have no impact on you?

#122

and:

Originally Posted by swiss

How could anyone be against something the gets for free?

*****

... just because he is swiss ...

Thank Lord you didn't use a capital letter, ChrisDNT would have felt insulted.

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by swiss

#122

I already have read that post, and ok, you think the poll has some bias (I personally think there is nothing wrong as yes, people who don't care, shouldn't bother voting, not having an opinion doesn't need to be represented in this case and no, this isn't democracy, it's a select representation of some gamers on an internet forum).

Point is, no matter how the poll was set up, you are doing all FT users a disservice by continuing to argue against it when you seem to not care either way.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by vicinity

I already have read that post, and ok, you think the poll has some bias (I personally think there is nothing wrong as yes, people who don't care, shouldn't bother voting, not having an opinion doesn't need to be represented in this case and no, this isn't democracy, it's a select representation of some gamers on an internet forum).

It is NOT a representation if you exclude an unknown percentage of the community - that was what my example was about, not democracy.
Seriously, don't you guys learn that in school?

The results of this poll are worth exactly: nothing.

Point is, no matter how the poll was set up, you are doing all FT users a disservice by continuing to argue against it when you seem to not care either way.

Actually I was doing Lobi a disservice, but also a service to his pharmacist, he sure could sell him a big box of drugs to lower his blood pressure.

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by swiss

It is NOT a representation if you exclude an unknown percentage of the community - that was what my example was about, not democracy.
Seriously, don't you guys learn that in school?

The results of this poll are worth exactly: nothing.

My point was that the people who want to vote 'don't care' isn't important, like it would in a democracy.

Also notice my use of "select representation"...you'll never have absolute representation of the opinion of everyone who would/wouldn't use a feature in a poll anyway, as the majority won't be on these forums yet or those who won't have seen the poll.

Saying the poll means nothing isn't true, it shows at least that some people are interested in FT support and some are not or do not want it. It's not a fully scientific poll no, but that isn't even possible on an internet forum.

A Yes/No poll was good enough to show enough interest in support of FT, on the BI forum for BI to implement it into their game.

[albx]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

errr, Roy..... http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=59ba5 (the link in the link)


IL-2: Cliffs of Dover Developer Questions
This is your chance to have your questions answered by Game Producer Ilya Shevchenko. No detail is to big or too small!

You can also vote on which questions from other fans you think we should ask. We will then pick the best questions (which a heavy leaning towards the more popular ones) and the final answers will be posted to the official forum (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/for*ums/a/frm/f/8071032709).

Deadline for questions is Monday February 21st at midday GMT.

Ok, I asked the question http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/...q=59ba5.15f7be

so who want an answer i think should vote for it

thanks

[swiss]

Originally Posted by vicinity

My point was that the people who want to vote 'don't care' isn't important, like it would in a democracy.

Not entirely true, depends on regulations.
Empty but returned ballots can be extremely important, but this goes too far OT.


But again: Lobi wanted to proof how important them implementation of FT is.
To proof this point you need a survey, a "yes vs. no" poll is rather ill-suited.


Now, let's look at the facts using some logic:

Why would Oleg hesitate to implement FT?
Answer: There is zero reason to exclude it, as long as it can be done fast and easy.

Unless:
a.
there are some legal issues Oleg is worried about and therefore hesitates
(which is obviously not a problem)
b.
He made a deal with NP and took money for it. It is his right to do so.

If it is "b", you can whine all day long, it's not gonna change anything, at least not for the next few months.
In fact, this whole discussion is a joke, we have to wait, and once the game is released face the facts.
Or does anyone seriously believe Oleg could just "forget" to implement FT? It's not like he's retarded or something.
Jeez.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by swiss

Why would Oleg hesitate to implement FT?
Answer: There is zero reason to exclude it, as long as it can be done fast and easy.

Unless:
a.
there are some legal issues Oleg is worried about and therefore hesitates
(which is obviously not a problem)
b.
He made a deal with NP and took money for it. It is his right to do so.

If it is "b", you can whine all day long, it's not gonna change anything, at least not for the next few months.
In fact, this whole discussion is a joke, we have to wait, and once the game is released face the facts.
Or does anyone seriously believe Oleg could just "forget" to implement FT? It's not like he's retarded or something.
Jeez.

That's the points. The only logical answer for me is the b. letter. But why in this case Oleg can't came here and talk about? Maybe because is something not so "legal" about that?

I'm just speculating in this case. But we can't have a single word from 1C... And I think it's really strange.

The good point is that 1C let the discussions evolve. It's a nice touch.

Now, it's really wait and see what's happens... But one fact is if Oleg/1C dind't have one "hidden exclusivity contract" with NP, they CAN use Freetrack interface in IL-2:CoD. BIS made it, so, it's completly possible and LEGAL to do. People need to understand that.

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by swiss

Not entirely true, depends on regulations.
Empty but returned ballots can be extremely important, but this goes too far OT.


But again: Lobi wanted to proof how important them implementation of FT is.
To proof this point you need a survey, a "yes vs. no" poll is rather ill-suited.

It is ill-suited in your opinion, and complaining about the poll doesn't actually address the question of whether FT support should be included.

Originally Posted by swiss

Now, let's look at the facts using some logic:

Why would Oleg hesitate to implement FT?
Answer: There is zero reason to exclude it, as long as it can be done fast and easy.

Unless:
a.
there are some legal issues Oleg is worried about and therefore hesitates
(which is obviously not a problem)
b.
He made a deal with NP and took money for it. It is his right to do so.

If it is "b", you can whine all day long, it's not gonna change anything, at least not for the next few months.
In fact, this whole discussion is a joke, we have to wait, and once the game is released face the facts.
Or does anyone seriously believe Oleg could just "forget" to implement FT? It's not like he's retarded or something.
Jeez.

There is nothing there that I would argue with, except i'm not the one whining - i'm adding support for a feature I would like added to the game if it is not already in it.

[GOA_Potenz]

Swiss can you stop arguing with everybody, cool for you that use trackir, but what's this crusade against it, there's no point on yours, so please stop being a pure bampot, and no more argument.

Can it be?, please.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by vicinity

My point was that the people who want to vote 'don't care' isn't important, like it would in a democracy.

Also notice my use of "select representation"...you'll never have absolute representation of the opinion of everyone who would/wouldn't use a feature in a poll anyway, as the majority won't be on these forums yet or those who won't have seen the poll.

Saying the poll means nothing isn't true, it shows at least that some people are interested in FT support and some are not or do not want it. It's not a fully scientific poll no, but that isn't even possible on an internet forum.

A Yes/No poll was good enough to show enough interest in support of FT, on the BI forum for BI to implement it into their game.

if the poll had have been run with wording along the lines of;

Should games have provision for alternative headtracking - yes/ no?
Doesn't worry me either way

you may have received an even larger yes vote than the current one

if it had have been along the lines of;

Should FT (or any other headtracker) be included with capacity to sponge/ hack off TIR/ other - yes/ no?
Should FT (or any other headtracker) be included without capacity to sponge/ hack off TIR/ other - yes/ no
Don't care either way

the result would be different again but the intent of the poll would be clear and at all time, the "don't care" vote is neutral and not to be counted as for or against.