Post made by Jason at Sim HQ

[klem]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Honestly? I think there are people that would like to see this title crash and burn.
I'm not saying it's this person or that person...just that it's a disturbing trend I've picked up not only here, but at SimHQ as well.
There was a poster there, can't remember his name, who was actually really pleased about the poor state the game was in a few months ago.

I don't understand that mentality at all.

I'm sure you're right.

Some people get a vicarious pleasure out of destroying things and great satisfaction from predicting failure before something's even been seen only to be able to trumpet their brilliance when it happens they are correct. Its a win-win for them because if they are proved incorrect they simply keep quiet. Of course when they are correct you never hear the end of it.

I think it fills a void in their lives.

Its a psychology thing and best ignored.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

+1

You got it. Looks like Oleg screwed up bigtime and possibly lied about a sick son. Not very cool, but maybe this is how things are done in Russia????

One more point; Over $1 million a year for a staff of how many; 6-10, in Eastern Europe???? Seems like good financing to me. It's probably even worse since the game was 2-3 years late

Oleg didn't tell people anything about his son. Someone at the Russian forums was posting there was a rumour that his kid needed heart surgery and he didn't have as much time to devote to the company because of this. Maybe he was someone who knew Oleg personally, or maybe he was just trolling. Either way, it wasn't Oleg's words.

So, before you accuse someone of lying about life and death situations in such a distasteful manner and then inserting a jab about an entire country, maybe you should do your research first.

Please edit your post to something less inflammatory or i'll have to move it (it's been reported) and serve you a warning.

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by klem

I'm sure you're right.

Some people get a vicarious pleasure out of destroying things and great satisfaction from predicting failure before something's even been seen only to be able to trumpet their brilliance when it happens they are correct. Its a win-win for them because if they are proved incorrect they simply keep quiet. Of course when they are correct you never hear the end of it.

I think it fills a void in their lives.

Its a psychology thing and best ignored.

Perfectly described in a few words. And you gave the remedy too

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by klem

Some people get a vicarious pleasure out of destroying things and great satisfaction from predicting failure before something's even been seen only to be able to trumpet their brilliance when it happens they are correct. Its a win-win for them because if they are proved incorrect they simply keep quiet. Of course when they are correct you never hear the end of it.

I think it fills a void in their lives.

Its a psychology thing and best ignored.

Schadenfreude is the term for this, its german, it means shameful joy.

[Majo]

We were so happy in our ignorance... throwing things one to another without much criteria.

Now that we really start to know this is turning way too ugly.

I keep CLOD in my HD and I try to play 4 or 5 hours a week mainly offline because I still have many issues online. I just cannot take it seriously in its actual state. I follow the update threads in the forums, look for the efforts of the community to add value, dynamic campaigns, new setups, mods, try new tricks a so on… I want to believe, really.

Il2 & saga is probably the only software related item of which I know the names of some people behind the product. It was very interesting to see how distinguished members of the community were able to establish some kind of communication with the staff of IL2 and especially with Oleg. He once answered one of my questions… not being myself a distinguished members, of course.

Things were very different back then. The product was different.

IMHO we first need a product that can be taken seriously in order to recover that level of communication. We also need to be constantly reminded that the people behind the product are doing all they can to help us take this product in a serious manner. I do not need so much to know about the reasons but to know about the improvements-results.

Silence sometime can be deafening.

Salutes

[Codex]

Originally Posted by Majo

We were so happy in our ignorance... throwing things one to another without much criteria.

Now that we really start to know this is turning way too ugly.

I keep CLOD in my HD and I try to play 4 or 5 hours a week mainly offline because I still have many issues online. I just cannot take it seriously in its actual state. I follow the update threads in the forums, look for the efforts of the community to add value, dynamic campaigns, new setups, mods, try new tricks a so on… I want to believe, really.

Il2 & saga is probably the only software related item of which I know the names of some people behind the product. It was very interesting to see how distinguished members of the community were able to establish some kind of communication with the staff of IL2 and especially with Oleg. He once answered one of my questions… not being myself a distinguished members, of course.

Things were very different back then. The product was different.

IMHO we first need a product that can be taken seriously in order to recover that level of communication. We also need to be constantly reminded that the people behind the product are doing all they can to help us take this product in a serious manner. I do not need so much to know about the reasons but to know about the improvements-results.

Silence sometime can be deafening.

Salutes

That is the best post I've read all day and I couldn't agree more.

I've been very forgiving of the flight sim genre in terms of development and the like as it's what I love to play. I knew full well the state CoD was in at release and yet I still forked over my hard earned money for the CE because I wanted to supoort it as much as I could. I know Tree can be provactive but the quote he has presented (and if true) has proven to me that, once again, it's the paying customer who gets F$%KED over time and time again, and I'm over it.

As it stands right now there is nothing that makes me want to want to fly CoD in it's current state. STEAM says I've got 16 hours in total playing / flying CoD. If thats true then I can guarentee that 95% of that time has been flying the Ju88 in autopilot while trying to tweaking the settings to get it to run smoothly or just goofing around. The only aircraft I have spent any time on has been the 110 and I needed to relying on YouTube videos to learn how to get the thing in the air. After then seeing the damage modeling in action in the current patch (i.e. trees have no impact) I gave up. I have yet to find anything in CoD that makes me want to take this sim as seriously as I did with the previous versions of IL-2.

Right now, no matter how hard I try, I can't escape the feeling that I've got $110 worth of wasted space on my HDD and that I do actually feel that I've been ripped off. Now I know this is only temporary, but its sad to think of this sim in this way ... but here we are.

I've actually bought RoF last week and I'm flying that online with some mates and we're getting much more enjoyment out of that at the moment. I'm just praying that IIlya delivers on the items he mentioned in the 6th August update thread, because right now, I'll be thinking twice before buying another game.

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Oleg didn't tell people anything about his son. Someone at the Russian forums was posting there was a rumour that his kid needed heart surgery and he didn't have as much time to devote to the company because of this. Maybe he was someone who knew Oleg personally, or maybe he was just trolling. Either way, it wasn't Oleg's words.

Source of information about son and his heart is one comment in youtube. Comment was made by user "OlegMaddox" after kinda long and tense comment exchange with other user.

http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=P5gxvwXVZJw&lc=0ktrcKUWCa3owYemdWN7JpbyH1c4urf0i42xThuglWo

Я гоовлюсь к операции на сердце своему сыну. Так что в ближайшее время мне все будет пофигу.

I am preparing for heart surgery of my son. So, I will care about nothing else in near future.

Oleg has posted some videos on this forum, and those videos were from youtube channel, which belonged to youtube user "OlegMaddox". So, it is very likely, that quote above belongs to Oleg Maddox.

[winny]

Jeez, it's just a game. I really don't think that as a forum we should be discussing the health of a child as a reason for the current state of things.

No matter how good at communicating to the community OM was (really? I always found him to be stuborn) the simple fact is that during the 5 years that he was in charge there was no game. He talked the talk, but when it came to walking the walk something went wrong.

Attaching blame for this mess is a pointless exercise.

There needs to be a colletive effort to draw a line under the past. This constant need to hold people accountable is literally suffocating the forum, the game and the community. It is in the past. Get over it and look forwards.

All everyone really want's to know is that the development team are fully committed to fixing it and that the publishers are committed to the developers.

The rest is a matter of time. It is in no ones interest for CloD to fail.
(with the exception of the 'I told you so' brigade, but that's just self justification for being a tw*t)

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I did deliberatley buy the game, that is correct. My joy and glee was not aimed at the state it was in but aimed at the people like your goodself who had rubbished me all through the development process, they could not see what was so painfully obvious and they were absoloutley convinced that Oleg & Luthier were holding back showing us the real CLOD until released. "Its WORK IN PROGRESS they all cried!!" You were one of these short sighted fanboys that were oh so aggresive in defending Oleg, it became your crusade and you simply couldn't see the obvious where as I could. However, despite the flaws (i didn't need to read a review) I purchased the game because i am a true flight sim fan, you didn't buy the game. I do feel sorry for you having been so badly duped, your hero Oleg lost his magic power and you were left holding his flag and it pains you greatly.




I think you misunderstood my post, the deception from Luthier was that Oleg couldn't post because his child was ill, where we now know that Oleg couldn't post because he was no longer working on the project. If anything you should be throwing your dummy at Luthier not me.

Yes, fans of the new series were calling the sim a "Work in Progress", then, and we are calling it a "Work in Progress" now. It should also be "Work in Progress" for another then years. We were right then, now, and hopefully in the future.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by winny

Jeez, it's just a game.

Amen