Pilot kill after pilot kill. How do they do it??

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

The game has created a weapons system for the 109's which isn't based on any kind of historical reality. The Germans were converting their MG armed E-1's as fast as they could into cannon armed versions because the cannon versions were more effective. The real life pilots complained when they had to fly the E-1's. The opposite is happening in CoD. Go on the servers, the guys who have the biggest scores are flying the E-1, and Blue flyers are converting wholesale into this plane from the E-3 and E-4.

Maybe there is nothing wrong with weapon system, but there is something wrong with DM? Repka server is very good for pointing this, because it is possible to fight against any plane there. If E4 hits another BF109 there, wings break off 8 out of 10 times. If E4 hits Spit, Spit gets damage in various parts, but still continues to fly and even soaks another 1-2 bursts of MG-FF/M before it crashes due to control damage or pilot death. It is easier and faster to kill pilot with tungsten rounds, than to kill Spit with mine shells, and that stimulates preference for E1. If MG-FF/M (or even MG-FF) had similar effect on Spit like it has on BF, no one would bother with E1.

[hiro]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Gawd..were not trying to remove ammo now are we?

blimey

So true . . .


I feel the discussion of the ammo is relevant, even though the devs won't patch to fix it in ClOD, possibly maybe after the sequel,

but its good to get it out now, so in the sequel, the ammo can be more historically correct . . . and issues like this is on their minds.



I just had to say this, even though its already been said.

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Unfortunately, I do not have proof, and this is speculation.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

As I'm not in the position to take action against said pilots, my producing proof is irrelevant, and a moot point. I'm stating what I believe is true and that the OP is not alone in this matter.

This is wrong. With this attitude you won't help anyone, just throw false accusations. You call someone out and tarnish their rep with out evidence.

I know its possible to cheat. Shoot when Call of Duty 3 was released or Black Ops, within the hour, people were cheating (more so on PS3). on WOW (blizzard mmorpg) when they released cataclysm (new add on), on the day of, between the lags, there was cheating going on . . . and Blizzard puts alot of effort into stopping the cheaters.


But if you feel strongly someone is cheating compile evidence, have video, get other witnesses, etc. That way you help yourself and everyone else on the server, and help people to know about the cheat, help in development in the game (and the devs can fix it / the guys hosting the server can do something about it).

Even if you can't do anything about it, putting the evidence out there will put it on the devs or the ones running the server to do something about it, or at least warn others so they know.

You don't take a holier than thou attitude in this. If you're going to call someone out, back up with facts and proof. If you can't, its just hearsay.

Otherwise be quiet about it, and if they are known for cheating eventually they'll get caught and your suspicions are correct. And if they aren't, then they've earned their reputations and will continue to pwn people.


ok back to the ammo discussion. . .

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

What we have now is a legal hack, we might as well allow the Germans to use the pulse cannon of the Su-26.

Not really. The cannons on the 109 kick like hell and go all over the place... firing above 100 metres with cannon is a waste of ammo. Thats why guys with high scores use the E1 plus the extra ammo...

[Ze-Jamz]

Fellas neither side can prove how abundant these rounds were and I'm guessing the devs couldn't either so they are modeled...get over it

You've count de whilde in abundance which causes a lot of DMG to a 109, you talk about the big hitters using the e1....not true

Numbers of E1 have risen due to you harping on in this thread

ALSO

Beos do not work online in any 109 so regardless what model you take were going to load SMKh

Just stop on your quest now

EDIT
Seriously we've gone from the whiners and the fanbois at war for how long? Now we've got the finished no more updates on CoD certain members have finished from here crawled back under there rocks but now we've got another breed of purists counting the rivots..

If people want to load 100% of a certain ammo let them do it, you play your historical load out game but don't try and force it on others...go play a server that sanctions it...

In every game off every genre on every forum your get the ones shouting the loudest who are on the receiving end just like the blues moaning about the spits Alt advantage in game now yada yada..

Sort it out before you get the ammo changed too

[lonewulf]

"It allows players to load up 2000 rounds and 60 seconds worth of firing into the E-1,..."

Well sort of. The MG 17 has a cyclic rate of about 1200 rounds per minute. The two cowling guns have up to 1000 rpg. This should give you about 50 seconds of continuous fire, at least in theory. The 17s in the wings had up to 500 rpg. This would give you about 20 seconds of fire. So, in reality, just like the E 3/4, the E 1 has just two weapons that should provide more than about 20 seconds of continuous fire.

"The game has created a weapons system for the 109's which isn't based on any kind of historical reality. The Germans were converting their MG armed E-1's as fast as they could into cannon armed versions because the cannon versions were more effective. The real life pilots complained when they had to fly the E-1's. The opposite is happening in CoD. Go on the servers, the guys who have the biggest scores are flying the E-1, and Blue flyers are converting wholesale into this plane from the E-3 and E-4."

The ammo issue is clearly an anomaly, but it's hardly the only one. Others include the ability of Spits to shrug off catastrophic cannon damage and continue fighting, or to lose an elevator with no apparent reduction in turning performance. Unless you're suggesting that individuals are actually using the tungsten ammo anomaly, in conjunction with some sort of aim bot, I really struggle to see why its such a big deal. If you allow someone to assume a good shooting position on your six then chances are, tungsten or no tungsten, you're unlikely to make it home.

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

Maybe there is nothing wrong with weapon system, but there is something wrong with DM? Repka server is very good for pointing this, because it is possible to fight against any plane there. If E4 hits another BF109 there, wings break off 8 out of 10 times. If E4 hits Spit, Spit gets damage in various parts, but still continues to fly and even soaks another 1-2 bursts of MG-FF/M before it crashes due to control damage or pilot death. It is easier and faster to kill pilot with tungsten rounds, than to kill Spit with mine shells, and that stimulates preference for E1. If MG-FF/M (or even MG-FF) had similar effect on Spit like it has on BF, no one would bother with E1.

Very well said. To go further this is actually a reaction by blue flyers to what red was doing. For a very long time 99% of red was flying Spits exclusively, nobody was using Hurricanes. Since Spit wings absorb 20mm shells like a sponge some blue pilots, including myself, changed their tactics to something that would be more effective against Spitfires. If you can't kill the machine you had to kill the pilot. Considering how vulnerable the 109 is to cooling system, engine, fuel tank, and even pilot damage much of what is being said in this thread is just sour grapes.

[JG52Krupi]

Totally agree, the spits have a ludicrous DM.

If you fly at 3000m above an airfield in a 109 for any length of time and your going to be going down. Now do the same in a spit, it just soaks up damage like its made of 20mm thick titanium!!!!!

This is the simple truth, I have flown both red and blue.

[Ataros]

All kills are PK in this Hurri vid as you could see before. This is not a privilege of tungsten only but of any AP ammo and aiming at the center of aircraft instead of wings (sharp at convergence range). A pilot is the softest part of an airplane.

http://youtu.be/ZczgdRRdGV8

I think it is possible to limit certain loadouts on server side via scripting if needed. MG just gave us a possibility to use different loadouts. Offline it is a responsibility of a mission-maker to include historic loadouts (this is the reason we can not change it offline). There is probably a way to do this online too, C# scripters know better.

[SlipBall]

Using the default 109 loadout I have good success against the Spits. I always try to make my first burst on the inside port wing. With the resulting oil leak his time in the sky is now on the clock Many times a fire breaks out and he is forced to hit the silk.

[FFCW_Urizen]

Originally Posted by lonewulf

Others include the ability of Spits to shrug off catastrophic cannon damage and continue fighting, or to lose an elevator with no apparent reduction in turning performance.

I have to agree and disagree at the same time with this statement. Holes in my wing, control surfaces shot off? Time to make a run for it, you cannot effectively fight with such damages, as your turning ability is extremely FUBAR.
Have you ever tried to outturn an experienced 109 driver, when he notices that you are in trouble? Probably not, because you are dead before long.

At the same time, there is definitely something wrong with the Spitfires DM.
How many times was i set on fire? Never!

S!