Reviewing Luthier's roadmap

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by furbs

Rubbish, ROF just has a team that speaks to its community.

Jason from 777 takes time each DAY to talk and answer questions.

Exactly. This is what I am talking about. 777 is the publisher for RoF developed by Gennadich team and then neoQb team. This is 777's job to talk to customers and customers pay them for this.

When you pay for a game a good percentage of the amount goes to the publisher to cover printing costs, marketing, communication and support costs and investment risks. In case of CloD it went to UBI. In case of RoF it went to 777. You can not hire a communication manager when communication budget belongs to another company. This is how business works.

Denying this is what I call being in denial and wishful thinking. LOL

ps. The above only proves that luthier does not have an obligation to post here every Friday. He had goodwill to do so in the past but you paid for his goodwill by comparing his team to team of monkeys (just as example) and interpreting facts in the most insulting way possible. This fact alone would be enough to cut off his goodwill for some months.

[furbs]

He could, yes.
But it would prob mean going out of business.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Ataros

He had goodwill to do so in the past but you paid for his goodwill by comparing his team to team of monkeys (just as example) and interpreting facts in the most insulting way possible.

Woah, Ataros!

That was one member of the forum.

I've been known to be negative myself, but this is largely due to a feeling of being ignored. There is no need to imply that all members of this forum are as crass as others.

A simple 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' from anyone at 1C Maddox would put down a lot of the negativity, including mine. 'It doesn't take much effort', is all the members are saying (sorry if i'm being presumptive here), and it doesn't.

Give it up dutch, this guy has no idea where people are coming from.

Apparently now if you have a problem with the game and you voice your concern and no-one answers, thats because we are insinuating that the dev team are primates, is that right ataros? Dont even bother to answer that one cos I give up mate.

If about seven people in this thread can spell it out to you and you still dont get what people are saying about dialog and communication and want to pretend we are "trying to find the most insulting interpretation to the facts" just because someone else was insulting devs or what ever then fine mate, group me with the idiots i dont really care quite frankly.
The internet gives the world a voice mate. Not all of them you will like or like what they want to say, but they will say it non the less.

"He had goodwill to do so in the past but you paid for his goodwill by comparing his team to team of monkeys (just as example) and interpreting facts in the most insulting way possible. This fact alone would be enough to cut off his goodwill for some months"

So is this FACT that because 1 person made derogatory remarks and the whole forum including yourself should have information witheld from them or is this you again attributing the silence in the most insulting way possible towards people who feel unhappy with the lack of communication. Get my drift.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

A simple 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' from anyone at 1C Maddox would put down a lot of the negativity, including mine. 'It doesn't take much effort', is all the members are saying (sorry if i'm being presumptive here), and it doesn't.

I do agree with you that more updates would be good for everyone. But 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' would probably be not enough as the latest update with pictures attracted a lot of negative reaction. Thus there is no point in these 'relationship building' updates.

I think ZaltisZ knows what he is talking about regarding small updates as he works in the dev industry http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...4&postcount=52
Thus there is no points in small updates.

In case the devs would have achieved a milestone by now there would be a beta patch available already and there would no be need for an update.

Everything important was said in the last update (e.g. regarding sound issue). There is no point to repeat it.

I do agree with you that more updates would be good for everyone. My point is people can not demand or expect an update as if it was obligatory and get emotionally unstable and insulting if they do not get it especially on these forums (not publisher's) and especially after insulting the devs. That is why I wrote my 1st message about it saying "Do not be surprised if we get only official updates at UBI and Steam."

If anyone would ask for my opinion why we do not hear from luthier I would guess that they are working night and day again to meet the US release deadline but they are not on time and having major 'negotiations' with UBI about it, which may influence the future of the project much more than Friday updates. Do not be surprised if the project would be closed one day and then resurrected in 3-5 years as independent studio like it happened with BIS Studio (ArmA 2) when they separated with EA (iirc). Only my speculations of cause.

@BigPickle
Your post is negative again and not constructive imo. Just remembered it was you with negative comments on RBflight's sound mod here without a valid reason. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...45&postcount=6

Originally Posted by Ataros

I do agree with you that more updates would be good for everyone. But 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' would probably be not enough as the latest update with pictures attracted a lot of negative reaction. Thus there is no point in these 'relationship building' updates.

I agree on everything apart from this, and this is exactly what I'm trying to say, thats exactly what i needed here. More of the above. I found the last update to be the best in honesty we have had since the game launched.
~Also who keeps getting emotionally unstable and insulting, maybe i miss these things but i dont see that happening. I see plenty of ppl getting anoyed and frustrated but that is to be expected as they are playing a broken game as best they can, and not wanting to give up on it.
I know its just your speculation at the end there but dont you think the customers deserve to know as soon as if that was going to happen, dont you see thats the customers fear that might happen at the moment, Again another argument for or against communication i guess.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I do agree with you that more updates would be good for everyone. But 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' would probably be not enough as the latest update with pictures attracted a lot of negative reaction. Thus there is no point in these 'relationship building' updates.

Sorry, you're correct, that's just my sense of humour which probably doesn't translate too well. If he asked that question, I dread to think of the responses.

I of course didn't mean that he should ask that question literally, but a simple message of progress posted on a closed thread would be enough.

'This is what we're working on, this is how far we've got' would be what I'd be happy with, unless it read 'Well we're working on this, but we're not getting anywhere', which of course would be counter-productive.

The lack of any kind of feedback results in some members assuming that the latter is the case. (sorry, presumption again).

[bongodriver]

it's only been 2 weeks since the last 'hi folks' from the devs, and it was more than just a 'hi folks' at that, has everyone missed the point that the meet the team was also a progress update of sorts, the devs made it clear a while ago that the sound is a big issue they are dealing with and 'hey presto' theres a new sound guy working on it....pictures and all, the devs also made it clear some elements bugs a buried deeeeep in the code, I am not a programmer but I know this has to take time to sort out, just 2 weeks later and this place descends into chaos with conspiracies and rumour????????????

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

it's only been 2 weeks since the last 'hi folks' from the devs, and it was more than just a 'hi folks' at that, has everyone missed the point that the meet the team was also a progress update of sorts, the devs made it clear a while ago that the sound is a big issue they are dealing with and 'hey presto' theres a new sound guy working on it....pictures and all, the devs also made it clear some elements bugs a buried deeeeep in the code, I am not a programmer but I know this has to take time to sort out, just 2 weeks later and this place descends into chaos with conspiracies and rumour????????????

Agreed, whether or not they say anything we know that an update is in the works and that they are (presumably) working against the clock to have more bugs fixed before the North American release.

[bongodriver]

'whatevva!'