Freetrack interface use in IL-2:CoD

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

No, he will made finally a CLEAR statement about FreeTrackClient.dll, put lines of code that will prove the "evil way", the abusive NP hack...

Yes, I suppose he can say that. All we have to say is , "Why didn't NP decompile the DLL and take it to court as evidence?" Since they haven't done that for all these years, then it is red herring argument he would make. I'm sure it is because NP doesn't want to break their own monopoly by risk losing in court.

I think all we can do is wait for the game to come out. I don't think 1C can talk about this at all because of the NDA. We probably should not bother them anymore. Hopefully they have heard us over these last few days. I think they will come through. Or even NP might secretly give us a patch to shut us up.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

Yes, I suppose he can say that. All we have to say is , "Why didn't NP decompile the DLL and take it to court as evidence?" Since they haven't done that for all these years, then it is red herring argument he would make. I'm sure it is because NP doesn't want to break their own monopoly by risk losing in court.

I think all we can do is wait for the game to come out. I don't think 1C can talk about this at all because of the NDA. We probably should not bother them anymore. Hopefully they have heard us over these last few days. I think they will come through. Or even NP might secretly give us a patch to shut us up.

Well, at least BIS have guts to stand to consumers side. I'm happy that one major gaming company put your consumers as priority, not some hardware company.

Let's wait and see. All the arguments for Freetrack interface are clear. Now it's into 1C hands to do the right thing. 83.33% for Freetrack.

[MadBlaster]

Yep, this is I think my last post on this topic and maybe this board for a while.

But I want to say this. I've really enjoyed myself. It's been fun battling the Wolf-Rider and reading all the posts. Also, if I slammed you the wrong way, well don't worry about it. Nothing personal from my end. Just look at it as another dogfight.

[Wolf_Rider]

@ LoBi...

The only "all the facts are in" (edited out of your post) fact, is that FT is a hack tool

@ Blaster...

Just another dogfight? I hope you do better in the sim



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@ Blackdog...

?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

i have tried both FT and trackIR and for me trackIR was smoother and better.

+1, and not just a bit.

Hooked up my TIR5 yesterday, and I must say, the product more than just surprised me.
I hate to say it, as I was really fond of my FT cap, but the TIR is just too damn sexy.

I felt perfectly comfortable from the the first second. They supply 3 default settings, one of them felt pretty close to my customized FT setup.

The major difference is: If you play around in the tir software you can achieve same results which previously took you upwards 2hrs in FT.
And it feels much, much more stable, not to mention the precision.
It really is an awesome product.
But then again, that's what I expect from a professional solution.

Conclusion:
I don't regret I went for FT first; I learned a great deal about leds and also improved my soldering skills, so it sure was fun.
If I had to decide again, however, I'm not sure if would go the same path a second time.
FT wasn't free either, and the hours I spent building and adjusting it is a midrange, two digit number.
Hint: If you go for TIR, try to find used one and please don't forget to ask the the seller for serial number, as TIR5 #152000-152914 are lemons.

[Wolf_Rider]

That's a consistent appraisal common everywhere

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

That's a consistent appraisal common everywhere

Yep. I never believed it though.
(or didn't want to)

[albx]

Can please explain me the 17 voters against including freetrack in CoD what have to do with TIR? is because they feel pissed off that somebody can use the same kind of device at a fraction of TiR cost? or what?

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

where are your other three fingers pointing, Blackdog?


also sport... explain this - 2nd check box down from the top

I already told you, numerous times in fact. Emulating/simulating an interface with different software and hardware doesn't equal using it, just like simulating northrop grumman aircraft in pacific fighters was not the same as building and selling real ones, but that didn't prevent NG from asking Oleg Maddox a ton of money to let him include them in the sim (something everyone agrees was stupid on NG's part).

You just can't or won't wrap your mind around it, so it's a clear waste of my time to have another go. Please don't take this the wrong way as i harbor no ill will against you just for having your opinion, but i have no interest whatsoever in convincing you personally. My interest was in advocating alternatives for the community, because some people obviously use them and this levels the playing field and creates more competition for me when flying online.

I honestly don't believe you are a NP "public relations/damage control" spokesperson who's getting paid to do this, you just have your opinion and i'm fine with that. That being said, you sure do have an axe to grind with FT, just like Lobi has an axe to grind with NP. I think you two are not that different even if you advocate opposing points, but all this "passion for the cause" just clouds your judgment and you both miss the bigger picture sometimes.

I don't care what it's called, i just want a generic head tracking interface as an alternative and guess what, i will still buy a new trackIR set when i scrape the cash together. I just won't have to fly blind in the meantime.

My aim in all of this was to make sure other opinions get some exposure too and we as a whole have more options to choose from, but all this polarization is sure making it harder to look at things in a level-headed way.

Nevertheless, even if people have issues with FT they still voted for it and the interpretation is clear: more and more of us want an alternative form of head tracking. That's regardless of the details and the feud between FT and NP.
We can all argue until we're blue in the face about how NP restricts competition or not, or how FT is a hack tool or isn't, but that doesn't change the meaning of the poll one bit. The cat's out of the bag in regards to CoD headtracking and that's all there is to it at the end of the day.

So, the next logical step is to ask the devs to include the function in a patch, or as part of the SDK that will be available after launch. I think it's time to wrap this one up and do just that, ask for the feature.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I already told you, numerous times in fact. Emulating/simulating an interface with different software and hardware doesn't equal using it, just like simulating northrop grumman aircraft in pacific fighters was not the same as building and selling real ones, but that didn't prevent NG from asking Oleg Maddox a ton of money to let him include them in the sim (something everyone agrees was stupid on NG's part).

You just can't or won't wrap your mind around it, so it's a clear waste of my time to have another go. Please don't take this the wrong way as i harbor no ill will against you just for having your opinion, but i have no interest whatsoever in convincing you personally. My interest was in advocating alternatives for the community, because some people obviously use them and this levels the playing field and creates more competition for me when flying online.

I honestly don't believe you are a NP "public relations/damage control" spokesperson who's getting paid to do this, you just have your opinion and i'm fine with that. That being said, you sure do have an axe to grind with FT, just like Lobi has an axe to grind with NP. I think you two are not that different even if you advocate opposing points, but all this "passion for the cause" just clouds your judgment and you both miss the bigger picture sometimes.

I don't care what it's called, i just want a generic head tracking interface as an alternative and guess what, i will still buy a new trackIR set when i scrape the cash together. I just won't have to fly blind in the meantime.

My aim in all of this was to make sure other opinions get some exposure too and we as a whole have more options to choose from, but all this polarization is sure making it harder to look at things in a level-headed way.

Nevertheless, even if people have issues with FT they still voted for it and the interpretation is clear: more and more of us want an alternative form of head tracking. That's regardless of the details and the feud between FT and NP.
We can all argue until we're blue in the face about how NP restricts competition or not, or how FT is a hack tool or isn't, but that doesn't change the meaning of the poll one bit. The cat's out of the bag in regards to CoD headtracking and that's all there is to it at the end of the day.

So, the next logical step is to ask the devs to include the function in a patch, or as part of the SDK that will be available after launch. I think it's time to wrap this one up and do just that, ask for the feature.

Bigger picture, Blackdog:

- Why Bohemia Interactive can suport Freetrack using Freetrack interface? You believe BIS is a company of hackers?

It's one point withou answer by the critics of Freetrack interface. A major software company give FT suport in some big title. Why this same kind of suport can't be part of IL-2: CoD?

If this point can be made clear...