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Old 10-01-2012, 11:59 AM
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as an old VIRTUAL pilot i KNOW the huge dead zone(the whole run) issue its bs, so should you

it means the stick is 6 mm LOSE

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if you have the money similar to the other joystick

http://www.aerotronicsllc.com/docs/SSCv2.pdf

is my rep so bad that even when im obviously right people rather apply the authority criteria even when the authority probably is a lier?

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this portraits the second advantage i talked to at the begining that with a short run you go closer to the limit, youre more agresive:


The F-16 was the first aircraft to use the "fly by wire" system, which does not translate the pilot's control- movements by cables and pulleys, but by electronic impulses. Between the flight stick and the control areas is the FLCS (flight control system) which translates the applied pressure to the stick and sends the corresponding electric impulses to electric motors, that move the control areas. The FLCS also controls the amount of movement to be sent to the controls, in order to avoid to hard actions or wrong movements. Of the pilot, which might get the airplane into a critical position. Using the manual pitch override panel of these corrections of the FLCS can be overrided by the pilot.

The F-16 was also the first aircraft that had the flightstick at the right side instead between the pilot's legs. This allows easier controlling during high Gs and also keeps more free space to host important displays in front of the pilot.

The first F-16 models had the SSC (side stick controller) with no free movement at all, which made the pilot feel like trying to move a telegraph pole. Later some free movement was given to the SSC to avoid this feeling. Anyhow, if you think that now it is like moving a joystick with reduced movement, you are wrong! I had the chance to sit in an Air Forces F-16 simulator and thought that the stick was just cemented in. It really takes some force to move the stick. A F-16 pilot told me that the whole movement of the stick is just about 2 to 3 mm in each direction.

A big problem is that due to the poor feed-back of the SSC, the pilot can easily oversteer the plane, taking himself and (if there) the instructor to the maximum Gs. I made this experience myself. I just had my first flight in an aerobatic SP-91L and my instructor told me to fly a loop. In other airplanes I felt the force feed-back growing slowly when starting a loop, but this time I did not feel anything at all. Then things happened very fast. My instructor started to puff, I started to puff also and the G-meter showed 8G! So far facts of the real flying ).

Together with the TQS (=Throttle quadrant system) the HOTAS system (Hands on Throttle and Stick) is conformed. This system allows the pilot to handle his plane during critical fight conditions, without taking the hands away from throttle and flight stick.

http://www.xflight.de/pe_org_par_ssc.htm
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:59 PM
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that proves what, exactly?
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:48 PM
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that this joystick is able to replicate accurately an f16 sidestick

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html

and this graph proves it HAS NO DEAD ZONE which proves fjord monkey is imposturing an f16 mechanic



im a nautic engineer and i know a control imput LOSE 6mm is utter bs and any engineer who did that in the rudder would be inmediatly fired

you want to see my qualifications?

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he also says the stick is cemented which is the opposite to LOSE 6 MM

by now you know im right youre just pretending, acting

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from my other link:

The roll axis sensitivity is 17 lbs. left and right (in the real f16 stick)

pay attention to the graph for a 3mm displacement there would be 9 kg force or around 17 pounds just as the real thing so that graph belongs to the aleirons axe of the f16 stick
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:56 PM
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and this graph proves it HAS NO DEAD ZONE which proves fjord monkey is imposturing an f16 mechanic

im a nautic engineer and i know a control imput LOSE 6mm is utter bs and any engineer who did that in the rudder would be inmediatly fired

you want to see my qualifications?

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he also says the stick is cemented which is the opposite to LOSE 6 MM

by now you know im right youre just pretending, acting
The graph proves nothing.

You're not a nautical engineer, you're wrong and have no way of backing up such a claim, and no I don't want to know your qualifications as they're irrelevant.

He says it feels cemented, not that it is. Later he confirms movement of 2mm or 3mm in each direction. Who said it is loose?

You're wrong. You've been wrong from the start and seem incapable of accepting it.

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Old 10-01-2012, 04:36 PM
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the graph proves theres no death zone

this is what a death band graphic looks like:



you know if it has a 6mm run death zone and then starts reading presure this implies its lose and the pilot said its cemented

why dont you start insulting me thats your only argument ive given plenty of proof youve given none
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:12 PM
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im a nautic engineer
no you're not.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:41 PM
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no you're not.
well not exactly im being two subjects out of 40 from being one

so im practically an engineer

not only that i have university education in most subject since i have as well a diploma in english filology besides i know basic programing and im getting farther into art, not to mention my world records and mad virtual racing skills

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Old 10-01-2012, 09:14 PM
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Having a qualification doesn't mean anything. There are so many graduates with law degrees that know nothing about law. When you actually work as an engineer then you can claim to be one. Until you do that you're just someone who may or may not get a nautical engineering qualification. That you've taken 10+ years or so far sadly probably makes you unemployable.

If I were an engineer I'd be insulted by your claim. If you're going to accuse others of BS make sure you don't say it yourself... And regarding the F16 joystick why don't you ask about it on the www.F-16.net forums then if you're right you can link to the answers and we can all agree you are right. If they confirm you are wrong then you can apologise to Fjordmonkey.

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Old 10-02-2012, 03:18 AM
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you want to see my qualifications?
Now you mention it - actually yes.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:05 AM
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Yeah and certificates hand drawn in crayon don't count.
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