Pilot kill after pilot kill. How do they do it??

[JG52Krupi]

Totally agree, the spits have a ludicrous DM.

If you fly at 3000m above an airfield in a 109 for any length of time and your going to be going down. Now do the same in a spit, it just soaks up damage like its made of 20mm thick titanium!!!!!

This is the simple truth, I have flown both red and blue.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute Notafinger

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Very well said. To go further this is actually a reaction by blue flyers to what red was doing. For a very long time 99% of red was flying Spits exclusively, nobody was using Hurricanes.

The reason no one flew the Hurricane was because it was 534 lbs overweight, stalled like a pregnant whale, and couldn't outturn the 109's unlike the historical aircraft. Even now most people prefer the Spitfire because of its better speed.

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Since Spit wings absorb 20mm shells like a sponge some blue pilots, including myself, changed their tactics to something that would be more effective against Spitfires. If you can't kill the machine you had to kill the pilot. Considering how vulnerable the 109 is to cooling system, engine, fuel tank, and even pilot damage much of what is being said in this thread is just sour grapes.

If you have a problem with the Spit DM, then I would suggest you provide proof and make it known.

This argument has no relevance to the issue of the use of these Tungsten rounds and whether or not that is accurate.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

What we have now is a legal hack, we might as well allow the Germans to use the pulse cannon of the Su-26.

Not really. The cannons on the 109 kick like hell and go all over the place... firing above 100 metres with cannon is a waste of ammo. Thats why guys with high scores use the E1 plus the extra ammo...

[lonewulf]

"It allows players to load up 2000 rounds and 60 seconds worth of firing into the E-1,..."

Well sort of. The MG 17 has a cyclic rate of about 1200 rounds per minute. The two cowling guns have up to 1000 rpg. This should give you about 50 seconds of continuous fire, at least in theory. The 17s in the wings had up to 500 rpg. This would give you about 20 seconds of fire. So, in reality, just like the E 3/4, the E 1 has just two weapons that should provide more than about 20 seconds of continuous fire.

"The game has created a weapons system for the 109's which isn't based on any kind of historical reality. The Germans were converting their MG armed E-1's as fast as they could into cannon armed versions because the cannon versions were more effective. The real life pilots complained when they had to fly the E-1's. The opposite is happening in CoD. Go on the servers, the guys who have the biggest scores are flying the E-1, and Blue flyers are converting wholesale into this plane from the E-3 and E-4."

The ammo issue is clearly an anomaly, but it's hardly the only one. Others include the ability of Spits to shrug off catastrophic cannon damage and continue fighting, or to lose an elevator with no apparent reduction in turning performance. Unless you're suggesting that individuals are actually using the tungsten ammo anomaly, in conjunction with some sort of aim bot, I really struggle to see why its such a big deal. If you allow someone to assume a good shooting position on your six then chances are, tungsten or no tungsten, you're unlikely to make it home.

[FFCW_Urizen]

Originally Posted by lonewulf

Others include the ability of Spits to shrug off catastrophic cannon damage and continue fighting, or to lose an elevator with no apparent reduction in turning performance.

I have to agree and disagree at the same time with this statement. Holes in my wing, control surfaces shot off? Time to make a run for it, you cannot effectively fight with such damages, as your turning ability is extremely FUBAR.
Have you ever tried to outturn an experienced 109 driver, when he notices that you are in trouble? Probably not, because you are dead before long.

At the same time, there is definitely something wrong with the Spitfires DM.
How many times was i set on fire? Never!

S!

[Hellbender]

I was set on fire twice so far when my engine got shredded and I saw orange flames left and right of my cockpit.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

You don't have a source, but you keep claiming there was some kind of ammo shortage with that particular round.

Tungsten ore (in German Tungsten = Wolfram) was in extremely short supply in Germany so that after no more Tungsten ore (Wolfram) supplies were available in adequate numbers to the German Arms Industry the Production of Weapons and tungsten cored ammo like the
2,8 cm schwere Panzerbüchse 41, 4,2 cm Pak 41, 7,5 cm Pak 41 and the 5,/7,5/ 8,8 cm Panzergranate 40 (H) (H= Hartkern aka Tungsten Core) had to be stopped.

Germany’s minimum requirements for Tungsten ore were 3,500 metric tons per year.

• 1939 4142 metric tons tungsten ore were imported from China, 62 from India, 638 from Portugal and 74 from Spain. Total: 4916 metric tons
• 1940 61 metric tons tungsten ore were imported from Portugal, 800 from China and 394 from Spain. Total: 1255 metric tons
• 1941 318 metric tons tungsten ore were imported from Portugal, 1100 from Spain. Total: 1418
• 1942 794 metric tons tungsetn ore were Imported from Portugal, 1100 from Spain. Total: 1894
• 1943 835 metric tons tungsten ore were Imported from Portugal, 1100 from Spain. Total: 1935
• 1944 895 metric tons tungsten ore were Imported from Portugal, 564 from Spain (smuggled). Total: 1459

Great sources for the shortage of Tungsten and many other urgently needed materials and also the overstreched german war industry is: Germany and the second World War Volume V/ I and II
http://www.amazon.com/Germany-Second.../dp/0198228872
http://www.amazon.com/Germany-Second...798559-3538864
CARUANA L.R. and ROCKOFF H.(2001): "A Wolfram in Sheep ́s Clothing: U.S.Economic Warfare in Spain, 1940-1944." NBER Working Paper No. H0132
LEITZ, C. (1996): Economic Relations Between Nazi Germany and Franco’ s Spain1939-1945. Clarendon Press. Oxford

[Kurfürst]

5cm PaK/Kwk munition production did not stop IIRC (others were, but there were for example a very limited amount of Hartkern Pzgr. 40 produced for the (long) 8,8 Pak/KwK 43 gun. OTOH 5cm Pzgr. 40 was very commonly used in the Eastern Front in 1941 - one in three-four AP rounds fired IIRC.

The 7,92mm smk (H) tungsten cored small arms munition did stop by mid 1941, at which point stock of this ammuntion amounted to about 10 million rounds.

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff

the reason it's not working for you guys is because the Jews are sabotaging your ammo....

Stay classy bro.