Thoughts about Friday's update

[III/JG53_Don]

How on earth could they get any more money out of a fully fixed CloD if it allready costs only 5€/$ on sales just wishful thinking gents

[salmo]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

No given there track record I.E. Forgotten Battles the sequel will hopefully have a good start.

I don't share your optimism Krupi. I suspect BOM will just be COD with some bug fixes, different planes, plus you can jump into a tank or AA gun (whoopdidoo!). No real gameplay objectives or immersion. I'm not even confident whether ther'll be a proper campaigning system to replace the horrible collection of linear simple missions we got with COD. Time will tell, but I for one, won't be rushing out to buy BOM.

[Continu0]

Originally Posted by salmo

I don't share your optimism Krupi. I suspect BOM will just be COD with some bug fixes, different planes, plus you can jump into a tank or AA gun (whoodidoo!). No real gameplay objectives or immersion. I'm not even confident whether ther'll be a proper campaigning system to replace the horrible collection of linear simple missions we got with COD. Time will tell, but I for one, won't be rushing out to buy BOM.

Well, the engine has its potential for gameplay, as Desastersoft or ATAG shows...

[vranac]

Originally Posted by salmo

I don't share your optimism Krupi. I suspect BOM will just be COD with some bug fixes, different planes, plus you can jump into a tank or AA gun (whoodidoo!). No real gameplay objectives or immersion. I'm not even confident whether ther'll be a proper campaigning system to replace the horrible collection of linear simple missions we got with COD. Time will tell, but I for one, won't be rushing out to buy BOM.

Maybe something like this?

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...FFIYHhgs6nLQhw



I hope that this online war will be ready soon )

[JG52Krupi]

Awesome thanks for sharing Vranac

[salmo]

Originally Posted by vranac

Maybe something like this?

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...FFIYHhgs6nLQhw



I hope that this online war will be ready soon )

Yes. Thankyou vranac, I was unaware of is project.

[hc_wolf]

This looks good. Like an old Capture the City version I was working on. I abandoned the project when I learend how bad the online code was and you could not have AI ground unis spawn and head for the front lines for dynamic battles because the ONLINE code could not handle the following at the same time;
30+ moving ground units (and this is small)
30+ Human fighters / bombers (cause if this is popular you would have 50+)
20+ AI fighters/bombers
1600+ AA guns
100 - 2000 Ground objects (Unless you have proceedual ground object imports, but you can't include Buildings cause they do not import with sub missions) see the error there...

And the above is just the minimum you need for a game that feels alive.

When the MP Online code is fixed. Graphics fixed etc.. and the game can handle 120+ moving objects (with no ghosts) + 2-3000 objects and 40+ players then we can release games with this greatness. I wish you well there are a couple of these type missions on hold

I would love this as an ongoing weeks+ long mission. Are you using the "FOOD" as health / supply which is embedded in the 1c code?

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by vranac

Maybe something like this?

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...FFIYHhgs6nLQhw
I hope that this online war will be ready soon )

That is amazing, thanks!

[Slipstream2012]

Originally Posted by csThor

I don't want to join the choirs of nay- or yay-sayers. I merely want to remark on a few things I've read here.

1.) Maddox Games today is not the Maddox Games which produced the original Il-2 line. It's a new team which has yet to prove it's up to the task.

I couldn't agree more!

2.) Expecting them to fix CloD on the nebulous premise of gaining more buyers for CloD is ignoring the realities of the market. IIRC a game that earns its RoI in the first week (or few weeks) or it doesn't, anything after is merely nice to have but will not turn the fortunes. The bosses of 1C know this logic and the business issues are what drives their decisions.

What are good "new buyers" if they lose half of their current community because they released Clod too early to bad reviews, and have yet to patch the game to a suitable level in over a year, not to mention the lack of communication. All business depend on two types of customer, the new and the current, and word of mouth is the oldest but still most valid form of advertisement.
Now if the current customers are upset over a faulty product it doesn't take long for word to get around that a company should be avoided like the plague, especially on the internet, and even if their next product is the best thing on the planet there are going to be many that think "once bitten, twice shy"
Its about track record.

3.) Reputation-wise CloD is already dead. It's gotten so many deserved bad reviews that turning around the trend is not possible.

Agree totally, however I want what I paid for, as do most of us here, not for it to be abandoned in favour of BoM. I spent 2 years flying the Eastern Front in the original IL2 over ten years ago before FB, ACES, PF & 1946 expanded the theater, so when the "award winning IL2 team" announced Clod I bought it because it was relevant to me being English, allowing me to finally experience flying my own theater.

If they do what Luthier said in the update and merge BoM with Clod, and integrate & improve it equally along with the other theaters, I will obviously wait for reviews before buying it, and if its up to standard I will buy it and enjoy flying both fronts.
But however they do it, they need to do right by their customers and keep clod alive with the sequels, if not, I for one will be gone.

It's frustrating to see a game with so much potential lost & a community in such turmoil.

[Jam66es]

i think that the average guy goggles a couple of critics of the famous review sites and is guided by that.