A Question for my fellow COD lovers

[colgsoundo]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Not trying to start a flame war either but since you write it in capital letters - maybe the thing you were missing is this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwar...ife_cycle#Beta

Looking up what beta means, if you don't know about it, could've saved you all that time to write your long post.


And just on a sidenote because I assume you will have difficulies accepting this. Even Blizzard, a company making billions of PROFIT, probably 1 million times more than maddox games, is testing their patches AND is working with reduced staff on patching WHILE working on sequels.

Even if 1000 people on this forum would've bought CloD for full price, that'd be like 50k of whatever currency. But not everyone did. Many bought it for 20. Now, that means a profit margin for MG of like 5-30 dollars per copy and that's like 15000 dollars in total. That's one workstation with licensed software!
Stop kidding yourselves. They are working with almost nothing. Even CRC screens last time I saw studio pictures. If you can do better - how about you fund a project yourself? Go to kickstarter and assemble a group of programmers, artists etc. and make a better game? :p I'm sure a "lot" of people will buy it.

Errrm I paid $100AUS...

[Madfish]

I paid 133 AUS (108€), for 2 copies though But we're not the average buyer.
Many bought the game much cheaper. A few pre-orderered the CE etc., yes, but certainly not enough to keep this project afloat and healthy for this long. I've seen the game being sold for 16$ on sale...

In fact I still need a 3rd copy so I can let it run on my ded server.

[BlackSix]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

They have presently 3d modelers etc working on a sequel..a lot of people can model Aircraft in that industry i would of thought...and im sure they are getting paid for their work?....SO why arnt they using that same money to employ more people to work on the basics and getting this game to work...

We can't find a free programmers with knowledge of aviation in the Russian labor market. This is a very big problem.
Also, we lost a lot of employees from the old team.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

We can't find a free programmers with knowledge of aviation in the Russian labor market. This is a very big problem.
Also, we lost a lot of employees from the old team.

Hi BS,

My point is that you are paying these people to model AC for the new sequel and from the limited amount of knowledge i have takes a long time and im guessing money..

Forgive the direct approach and you may have a simple answer but why is this money not being used to help fix the current problems first?

Or am i missing something here? This patch was supposed to be 'the fix' for the most part...Was this your intention? and did you intend to release this patch, isolate what you knew mat be problems and 'Hotfix' them (I doubt this scenario but il ask anyway)

[BlackSix]

All our programmers are working with the CloD now. We can't make more in current situation.

[Madfish]

Ze-Jams, seriously, you talk about a BETA patching and expecting it to be final. That's just not logical in any way and won't happen anywere. And no one said it was the final patch that solves everything. No one.

You also don't understand that they simply do not have the rescources. Interestingly blacksix already posted on it. But yeah, if you don't put money on the table - how do you expect them to work more on it? Do YOU work for free? I don't.

The focus HAS to be the sequel since CloD isn't selling anymore. If they don't get the sequel out they're done for. What's so tough to understand about this?

With the sales from the people bickering on this forum here they could maybe afford 2 workstations or so. They just can't keep the project afloat.


What you're expecting is not gonna happen. Not with their limited pool of rescources. If people can't see and accept that - why ask unnecessary questions? Just move on and forget that the game ever existed.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Ze-Jams, seriously, you talk about a BETA patching and expecting it to be final. That's just not logical in any way and won't happen anywere. And no one said it was the final patch that solves everything. No one.

You also don't understand that they simply do not have the rescources. Interestingly blacksix already posted on it. But yeah, if you don't put money on the table - how do you expect them to work more on it? Do YOU work for free? I don't.

The focus HAS to be the sequel since CloD isn't selling anymore. If they don't get the sequel out they're done for. What's so tough to understand about this?

With the sales from the people bickering on this forum here they could maybe afford 2 workstations or so. They just can't keep the project afloat.


What you're expecting is not gonna happen. Not with their limited pool of rescources. If people can't see and accept that - why ask unnecessary questions? Just move on and forget that the game ever existed.

Firstly calm yourself down...Im not expecting anything, im confused and hence why im asking questions..Im sorry if its not as obvious to me as it is to you or if it is then maybe im trying to get a few more answers..if you dont like what im asking, move along

Ok so in a nutshell..

CoD is finsihed as they dont have the resources...the focus is now on the Sequel before they run out of money..

These patches are being released to build up this big data base of bugs and known problems

So..

When the sequel is released which in turn will bring in more (we hope) money that money will be used to fix the 'known' problems with an array of Beta patches like we have now

Am i on the right track here?

[Warhound]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Am i on the right track here?

I would say you are on a sidetrack.

As BlackSix said on the previous page, all of their programmers are working on CLOD...this doesn't mean the whole team, it means all the people who write code.
The rest; that is mapdesigners, modeldesigners, scenario/missionmakers, ... ; are focussed on the sequel. So we won't see new maps for CLOD, nor will we see new cockpits or planes or new ships etc.

These beta patches are being released to incrementally find and fix bugs till MG decide the code is ready for a Steam patch. After that none of us know what will happen.
There might be a new round of beta patches, providing they get time and funds from 1C..if not it will stay with one final, official patch.
Maybe 1C decides it's a lost cause and scraps the whole team..hopefully they keep investing and we see a sequel (MMO or other).

Why would you think these beta patches are purely for the sequel when BlackSix states "Don't use beta, wait official patch." in this very thread?
Yes the fixes we get now will benefit the sequel, as it uses the same engine and code... but these fixes WILL end up in an official Steam patch for CLOD too.

edit : That is right up to the point where the whole team switches to "the sequel", and they code new features and so forth for it..those won't end up in CLOD.
Unless the sequel can be merged.. then if you buy that, the new features will be in your merged install aswel and thus usable with the CLOD map.
Some doubt on my part here as they always said it would work like the old IL2 with merged installs.
But the recent rumours of a MMO might mean there won't be any merging, just a new game with the CLOD assets + russian front stuff all in one
...we'll find out if and when said sequel is announced or a while after as it's setup becomes clearer

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

When the sequel is released which in turn will bring in more (we hope) money that money will be used to fix the 'known' problems with an array of Beta patches like we have now

Am i on the right track here?

Adding to what warhound just said and what I believe sounds plausible: honestly, I don't know.

The reason is simple. The old IL2 sprung a few projects which licensed their engine.
We also got some hints towards some sort of massively online game that also involves ground.

I can't tell you if they purely focus on the new sequel or simply on the engine overall. As we heard the coder part is working on CloD which suggests that they are trying to make the engine part run well.

It's still possible that "CloD" will work like IL-2, meaning you get updates but need the sequels. But I can't say for sure.


What I can say for sure is that they need sales. Either the sequel or licensing the engine.



Sorry that the term Beta wasn't that known to you. Maybe it's just so natural to me since I am a bit involved with gaming since a long time. And frankly, I've seen much worse games than CloD which sold A LOT better.

[Blackdog_kt]

I'll have to partially agree with this:

Originally Posted by Warhound

It's the community who hypes these patches to hell and then acts all annoyed when they don't get what was expected, NOT promised except for a few rare instances.

even if i would phrase it in a bit less "pointy" manner, simply because a lot of people expect beta to be gameplay material.

In reality, alpha/beta means "you can test it if you want to and help me find what's wrong with it, but don't expect it to be flawless and final material".

A lot of people however will download the patch thinking it is finalised gameplay material and then they will of course be disappointed because it's not. By definition.

So, to answer the original poster's question. This patch is not meant to be the fix-all patch. It's just one step in the testing process of the fix-all patch. Cheers