The unfortunate turth

[addman]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Agreed 100%

Aaah, Ace, still the undisputed master of quotes I see. I bow to you sir.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

From my point of view, i could live with everything else if the fm's were good, but they seem to be going backwards

Well you should see how many times that has been said about IL2 Sturmovik in the past. It seems simple but obviously is not. Knowing the exact way the game code reacts to FM changes is the key to understanding why they never can get it right. Despite all the graphs and other data available.

I can assure you that in DM/FM field it will go back and forth if the sim keeps going.

[addman]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Well you should see how many times that has been said about IL2 Sturmovik in the past. It seems simple but obviously is not. Knowing the exact way the game code reacts to FM changes is the key to understanding why they never can get it right. Despite all the graphs and other data available.

I can assure you that in DM/FM field it will go back and forth if the sim keeps going.

Well that's a fact, those debates will never end and most sane people of the fan base ignores them, still it would be nice if the devs could -over a year after release- get the basics done, e.g working a.i commands down. I'm primarily an offliner and that there -not performance issues or CTD's mind you- is one of my biggest gripes with this game.

[outer beacon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Roger that which leads me to belive it has more to do with thier PC than CoD

Fair point, but how is it that 1C can't write software that runs equally well on recommended spec machines? Lots of other developers manage it quite well.

Beta patch it may be, but unfortunately it appears for most to be a step backwards. I am having more CTD now than I was was pre patch.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by outer beacon

Fair point, but how is it that 1C can't write software that runs equally well on recommended spec machines? Lots of other developers manage it quite well.

Beta patch it may be, but unfortunately it appears for most to be a step backwards. I am having more CTD now than I was was pre patch.

Remember this post.. a few years from now.. when you ask yourself why no one is making games (flight sims) for PCs anymore and the only games (flight sims) you can by are for the X-Box and are dumbed down for the X-Box masses

Because it is attitudes like that which will make that day come sooner than later

[addman]

I'm also trying to preserve judgment until the final release version of the patch is out but here it is, pop-up clouds, a myriad of new graphical bugs, FM fixes that are not really fixed (G.50 over 3000 meters is still a brick with decreasing performance), a.i fixes that are not really fixed (wingmen still doing yarn old seppuku) just to mention a few I've noticed myself.

I still have hope the final version will be better. Still though:
"Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes."

After over half a year waiting for this, those words just makes me go

[outer beacon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Remember this post.. a few years from now.. when you ask yourself why no one is making games (flight sims) for PCs anymore and the only games (flight sims) you can by are for the X-Box and are dumbed down for the X-Box masses

Because it is attitudes like that which will make that day come sooner than later

Sorry? Attitudes like mine will bring about the fall of WWII flight sims on the PC? If that's all it's going to take, then going by what has already been written in 50% of threads on this forum, the genre is doomed already.

I asked a question, a valid one. I think Cliffs of Dover is a brilliant simulator, all I'm saying is it could be so much more if the damn thing worked on the majority of systems. Since release of this 'patch' I have sent 6 CTD reports. I had the same amount of CTDs over a 3 month period previous to the patch. I will continue to send any info the dev team need, so hopefully, one day, I enjoy this sim as it was meant to be.

So, tell me again. Is this evidence of me having a hardware problem (and an attitude problem..) ?

You guys who lost all critical thinking are just.... it is a waste of time to talk with you.

now customers are getting alpha patch, in first it was patch - epic fail, then two or three BETA patch - epic fail, and now it is ALPHA patch. Next one, if any, will be beta version of ALPHA patch. Afterwards, it will be alpha version of ALPHA patch... welll next-gen sim brings also next-gen kind of patches... The flight sim history in the making!

I have never ever in whole game industry's history saw such mess... In my 20 years of gaming I never saw so many new "terms", new "approaches", new "BS"... I believe that Steam community will never witness worse game than this EVER.

Get used to it. You all were transformed from customers to alpha testers for next sequel. Maybe Luthier should make you special status here, so we all see directly if you are tester, and later they can give you next sequel with discount, or map of Moscow and Luthier's poster with signature for free.

ACE_OF_ACES - you are fun to read, really... Fanatical members of this community are fewer and fewer... You will be the last one, for sure...

Not so funny is how few members here are twisting the meanings of words just to manipulate with people and put some lipstick on the pig, right?

edit. btw. I was shorting banks before the collapse of finance sector in USA and people in discussions were in same state of denial like some of you here... after one year of being told BS, less and less keep this "stock"... of course you are free to believe that same people in charge who caused this mess will find the solution and everything will be fine. Majority just gave up looooong time ago.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

You guys who lost all critical thinking are just.... it is a waste of time to talk with you.

Coming from a person of your attitude, it is a compliment, thank you.

now customers are getting alpha patch, in first it was patch - epic fail, then two or three BETA patch - epic fail, and now it is ALPHA patch. Next one, if any, will be beta version of ALPHA patch. Afterwards, it will be alpha version of ALPHA patch... welll next-gen sim brings also next-gen kind of patches... The flight sim history in the making!

Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.

I have never ever in whole game industry's history saw such mess... In my 20 years of gaming I never saw so many new "terms", new "approaches", new "BS"... I believe that Steam community will never witness worse game than this EVER.

TBH I don`t remember when was the last time I saw such a mess too. But I`m not acting as if it was the end of the world. My advice if you can`t wrap your head around that would be : don`t.

Get used to it. You all were transformed from customers to alpha testers for next sequel. Maybe Luthier should make you special status here, so we all see directly if you are tester, and later they can give you next sequel with discount, or map of Moscow and Luthier's poster with signature for free.

And if this sim ever makes something it was meant to be from the start, you will be thanking those who provided bug reports and constructive critics to help. Because I have yet to understand why you insist on staying here and complaining instead of doing something better with your time.

Not so funny is how few members here are twisting the meanings of words just to manipulate with people and put some lipstick on the pig, right?

It would be good if you provided some examples of that.

edit. btw. I was shorting banks before the collapse of finance sector in USA and people in discussions were in same state of denial like some of you here... after one year of being told BS, less and less keep this "stock"... of course you are free to believe that same people in charge who caused this mess will find the solution and everything will be fine. Majority just gave up looooong time ago.

Comparing collapse of finance sector to a video game development. Nice one. Why don`t you just stick to the "buying a new car" analogy since you repeated it so many times that you have to get it right eventually.

[150GCT_Veltro]

For my opinion this is a dead project. After saturday i give it up. This game after so many months is still too crude and horrible to hope in somenthing more.

I would like only to know what has gone wrong with Storm of War, because it did look much better than this r*****h.


CoD will not be the new serie for the IL2 community, this for sure.

We'll see in the next two years with Moscow.