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Old 04-17-2012, 12:49 AM
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An idea for a future patch which may be very simple to implement. When selecting aircraft, for QMB or multiplayer, can we have small country flags by the aircraft so we know which country they come from and also maybe a small fighter or bomber icon depending on it's roll?

I know some will say I should know my aircraft better, blah de blah de blah... but I'm sure many of us don't have the time or inclination to memorise the (now) exhaustive list of options.

I play LAN with a friend. And typically our conversion goes like this:

Me: Ok, lets have russian vs german, 1943 aircraft only
friend: Ok
Me: Ok, I'll go in the Yak-3, choose an axis aircraft
friend: Which aircraft are axis? Is this axis?
Me: Don't know
friend: Is this one axis
Me: Not sure

You get the picture.

I know we could exit the server and go into the museum to check, but my idea of small flag & aircraft role icons next to the aircraft designation codes would be extremely helpful and a better way to do things.
Ignore the snobby responses. Your point is a good one, but...

It is true that most of the existing IL-2 player base are more "sim" minded gamers. As such, most of the players are going to recognize the aircraft and which side used them, in what roles, and have relatively high familiarity with their characteristics, quirks, and backgrounds.

The main problem with implementing your idea is that some aircraft were used by multiple countries in multiple roles, some of them even by opposing sides. For example, the Spits were primarily British, but they had a large number of ex-pat European refugees flying for them, including the Czecks, Polish. Many Americans also flew them in the earliest parts of the war. Likewise, several American built aircraft were used at various points by the British, including the P-38. Regarding roles, some aircraft had rigidly defined roles, others varied. Clearly a B-17 or Lancaster isn't going to be a heavy fighter. The Bf-110 worked in several roles, including heavy fighter, night fighter, and light bomber.

So, assigning icons that indicate national use and/or role can sometimes be a bit precarious. It's not a bad idea, just that implementing it would probably take much more time than it'd be worth, if you'll pardon the expression.

You stated that you and your friend(s) are casual gamers, which there is nothing wrong at all with that. Perhaps you might find it interesting to take a little bit of time and do some basic research and reading up on the histories of the planes you like flying. History can be extremely interesting and revealing, and put some of the aircraft into a better context so you and your friends can understand them better.

Just some food for thought...
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:44 AM
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An idea for a future patch which may be very simple to implement. When selecting aircraft, for QMB or multiplayer, can we have small country flags by the aircraft so we know which country they come from and also maybe a small fighter or bomber icon depending on it's roll?

I know some will say I should know my aircraft better, blah de blah de blah... but I'm sure many of us don't have the time or inclination to memorise the (now) exhaustive list of options.

I play LAN with a friend. And typically our conversion goes like this:

Me: Ok, lets have russian vs german, 1943 aircraft only
friend: Ok
Me: Ok, I'll go in the Yak-3, choose an axis aircraft
friend: Which aircraft are axis? Is this axis?
Me: Don't know
friend: Is this one axis
Me: Not sure

You get the picture.

I know we could exit the server and go into the museum to check, but my idea of small flag & aircraft role icons next to the aircraft designation codes would be extremely helpful and a better way to do things.
one of the main reasons i started to play aviation simulations and ww2 aviation simulations in particular is my interest in ww2 in general and ww2 aviation....one of the BEST things to come from my experiences with games like this (mainly aces high and IL2, and a little WW2OL, among others) is the stuff that i have learned, both on my own and through the forums...

if you are having trouble figuring out what planes go to which country you should do some more research, trust me it will make a world of difference, and you will never stop learning new things trust me...

i know speaking for my self when i was new to this game i was overwhelmed by the amount of planes on the list, compared to many games IL2 has a HUGE plane list, every plane i didnt recognize or have not heard of i would look up and learn what i could about it....

basically just look these things up it will not only make you more efficient at these games but learning history and new things is always good...

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Hah! Really? Tell me why I should think twice before playing ANY game. I've owned Sturmovik since the original Forgotten Battles (2003), and been playing flight sims in one form or another since F/A-18 Interceptor (at least 1988 ). So please tell me why I need to think twice before playing 1942. Will I endanger somebody's life by not knowing the details of every single aircraft off by heart? Do you really take your games so seriously Pershing, that I have offended you with my lack of knowledge and ludicrous suggestion? If so, I really pity you. There's a saying that goes something like, "If you've got nothing worth saying, don't say it". Maybe you should consider that one before posting next time.

@Whacker Thanks for your response. Trouble is, I don't have the patience to study WWII aircraft. And with the choice available now, it really would be a case of studying. My friend has far less patience than I. For example, he would not sit and play a campaign or coop mission, to much straight flying and waiting around for him. We just like to duel and gloat (mostly after a few beers!) -a tradition since we were both teenagers. But I like to at least setup realistic encounters for us both.

To be honest, compared with other features and functions the developers have added, it seems a simple one to me. I appreciate the ambiguity that you mention, but surely you would just go with country of initial origin and purpose originally intended for (not what they were later adapted to do). If it's multi-role, you have a multi-role icon, or list a couple of icons side by side.

PS. I fly DCS: Black Shark 2. It's one aircraft and learning that is plenty for me.

ok just saw this so im adding it in via an edit.

First of all you wont have to STUDY anything...over time after enough research you will figure it out...american planes generally have one letter usually a P or a B in front of a number (usually 2 digit number)
british planes have names like spitfire and Halifax followed by their MARK (MK)number (MK14 or MK XVI)
german planes are named after the company who makes them...think of the HE111, or the BF109 ME262 FW190 JU 87 those are the main prefixes...


these are things that a normal person after doing some light research from time to time will generally learn or figure out the country a plane is from is generally one of the easier things to figure out using basic knowledge of ww2 aviation...

trust me man if you are playing ww2 aviation simulators chances are you have SOME inherent interest in the subject, surely you are curious about the topic otherwise you wouldnt be here...do your self a favor and look up somethings...because what you are asking for is to be spoon fed information, even with general knowledge (like on my first day playing these simulators), i could figure out what country a plane is from that was before i delved in to the subject of ww2 aviation...dont sell your self short you are capable of learning new things, please just try...

all you have to do is type in the plane name you are confused about and look at wikipedia, ive found it to generally be pretty accurate and if you are ever unsure of what is presented to you in wiki use the bottom to find the sources, or try and confirm what WIKI says on other credible sites...

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