The Crystal Ball 2

[Fjordmonkey]

The main problem is that they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. If they don't release info, they have today's situation: A buttload of bitching, whining and ranting on the boards.

But when they DO release info, it's more of the same since people's pet problem/issue isn't on the list.

Until people learn patience, this will go on. And sadly, I don't think people are able to learn patience.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

The main problem is that they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. If they don't release info, they have today's situation: A buttload of bitching, whining and ranting on the boards.

But when they DO release info, it's more of the same since people's pet problem/issue isn't on the list.

Until people learn patience, this will go on. And sadly, I don't think people are able to learn patience.

I used to subscribe to that viewpoint.

But situations change. What worked and was an appropriate strategy four months ago may not be the correct approach now.

When it was merely 'the usual suspects' making the noises, keeping tight-lipped may have been a good approach. But I genuinely think that the situation is different now. It is very natural for people to want news on progress of the patch and the plans for COD's development and I believe the devs risk alienating a lot of their core support if they maintain the same no-communication approach.

I'm also genuinely at a loss for a reason why they can't not tell us some carefully picked bits of info. They could have nipped this in the bud long ago by being a bit more savvy.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

The main problem is that they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. If they don't release info, they have today's situation: A buttload of bitching, whining and ranting on the boards.

But when they DO release info, it's more of the same since people's pet problem/issue isn't on the list.

Until people learn patience, this will go on. And sadly, I don't think people are able to learn patience.

Whose fault is that? Who are the ones that sold us a nonfunctional product? Who are the ones that purchased a defective product on faith it would be made better in the future?

Everybody acts like we owe the devs a favor when in fact they owe us big time.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Whose fault is that? Who are the ones that sold us a nonfunctional product? Who are the ones that purchased a defective product on faith it would be made better in the future?

Everybody acts like we owe the devs a favor when in fact they owe us big time.

Nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to buy it. If you don't have the foresight to expect issues in something as ambitious as this, then you shouldn't buy it in the first place.

Caveat Emptor. Pure and simple.

Will I personally be a bit more interested in reading what others has to say about the expansionpack before I buy it? Hell yes. Does that mean I'll go off on a rampage when/if an eventual buy blows up in my face? No. It means I'll notch it up as yet another bad usage of $50, and leave it at that.

Does the Devs owe us? Maybe. But patience is a virtue that's a DAMN rare commodity these days, and these forums are a damn good example of just that. Hell, people here are even more rabid than MMO'ers, and that's saying something.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Everybody acts like we owe the devs a favor when in fact they owe us big time.

Yeah, ok. You don`t have to be such a jerk about it though.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Maybe it's a Russian thing? I don't know. Information about the patch has been guarded as if it was highly important state secrets. It's not the delay in releasing the patch that is annoying people, it's the absence of ANY meaningful information. People can put up with being stone-walled for so long, but eventually they start to get annoyed. That unfortunately is what has happened here.

What? People have been moaning regardless! You go back and read any of the update threads! And I`m annoyed too. Pretty sure of that. Do I attack BlackSix for lack of recent info?Do I post the same drivel about beating cheated?No, I wait, sometimes I`ll ask some questions. But I`m calm enough to hold back the childish GIVE ME NOW NOW NOW NOW OR ILL START SCREAMING attitude!

[mazex]

Of course I will buy BoM and whatever they release in the future, just as I buy all flight sims that get released to support our small niche.

It just hurts so much seeing them handling business as bad as they do. They do have a bunch of supporters that are right now at the end of their patience. I don't know how many times I've been accused of being a fan boy, but now I've had enough too...

They have blown their reputation with all the major reviewers out there after the Clod release and to annoy the community by the current half year delay in getting a patch fixing the memory leak in mp is getting ridiculous...

One thing is very sure. They have serious IT-project management problems. The ones denying that surely have a strong belief in transparent imperial clothing...

Continous integration anyone? The rest of the IT development world has done that for a decade now... Look at project C.A.R.S. A release that works every week...

/mazex

[Tavingon]

I'm speechless, logged in today ready to lap up a saucer of treatiness but found myself gazing into a pool of reflection..

Course I will buy whatever is realeased but can't say I'm a little bit rocked and rolled by today's blank newspaper

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Considering some of Luthier's and BlackSix's posts, I'm quite sure that the devs are just as annoyed with the community as some in the community are with them..

other then the "forced release disaster" of the unfinished product last year (and i prefer that scenario to the whole project being cancelled, yet many new visitors here dont seem to understand those were the only 2 choices available at that time), the main mistake luthiers group has made is to believe that giving BoM update information is of any interest to most people who visit this forum (most are preoccupied with finding fixes and solutions, and want to hear about things being fixed in the broken game they currently have, giving those people information of the next product they are working on is obviously not a good idea)

giving news on features being added to BoB/CoD is good, like control of some ground vehicles and AA guns we had recently (because 80% of the work on those had already been done in previous years), and we hope to hear about many more elements that are currently either not present, not included, or not working (lack of dynamic campaign engine, coop problems etc)

i think luthier 'n Co understand this by now, hence they stopped giving BoM focused friday updates, i can only hope the release of the long awaited gfx patch is just around the corner, and that within a few days or weeks they release the "full version" with the included game fixes that are badly needed (ai behavior issues, some plane damage models, etc). failing this, the BoM release will get little traction in the west. however vocal and unreasonable some of the complainers are here (other then a few who just come here to complain no matter what, and have made it their sole purpose in life), the fanatic flight simmers that want to see this project succeed are the trend setters for the more moderate gaming enthusiasts that follow in their wake, and having these prolonged negative reports will directly hurt sales and this in itself can directly threaten the long term survival of the project (in which case we all loose, the simmers, the whiners, and luthier and Co)

[drewpee]

A patch/mod can be as simple as changing a spelling mistake on a title screen so don't tell me there is no such thing as a simple patch.