UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Wolf_Rider]

So the thread has been reduced to; "You show me yours and I'll show you mine, except mine is bigger". ??

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

So the thread has been reduced to; "You show me yours and I'll show you mine, except mine is bigger". ??

And then it will be " I know you are but what am I"

"sticks and stones...."

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

I'm waiting for his evidence for his invisible friend you know the one they call jesus, that has less evidence than UFO's.

Since you can't have less than zero I suggest a reread of the thread again since I think you might have missed a logic connection somewhere along the line.

There comes a time in every debate thread where, the evidence (and more importantly lack of evidence) is laid out for all to see and we can let the jury take it from there.

[Querer]

Bad luck if this "Jesus" will come to earth with an UFO. Then you suddenly have both a proof. So what, would it change something? No.
I am not a believer, I am scientist. And as a scientist I KNOW there is the chance of intelligent life on other planets, even if it is life in a way we maybe would not recognize. Chances are huge. Same for "god" or however you call it. There are things on earth which still lack a scientific explanation. So what. 200 years ago, this list was much longer than nowadays. Nobody knows how it will be in 200 years, maybe it continous to get shorter, maybe we have destroyed ourselves before

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Querer

Bad luck if this "Jesus" will come to earth with an UFO. Then you suddenly have both a proof. So what, would it change something? No.
I am not a believer, I am scientist. And as a scientist I KNOW there is the chance of intelligent life on other planets, even if it is life in a way we maybe would not recognize. Chances are huge. Same for "god" or however you call it. There are things on earth which still lack a scientific explanation. So what. 200 years ago, this list was much longer than nowadays. Nobody knows how it will be in 200 years, maybe it continous to get shorter, maybe we have destroyed ourselves before

If a UFO shows up and has an occupant named Jesus than maybe the thumpers will finally realize they have been hoodwinked for 2 K years.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by CharveL

Since you can't have less than zero I suggest a reread of the thread again since I think you might have missed a logic connection somewhere along the line.

There comes a time in every debate thread where, the evidence (and more importantly lack of evidence) is laid out for all to see and we can let the jury take it from there.

I didnt expect you to have any evidence..why? Because in my exhaustive search for the truth I discovered that there is none.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Querer

I am not a believer, I am scientist. And as a scientist I KNOW there is the chance of intelligent life on other planets, even if it is life in a way we maybe would not recognize. Chances are huge. Same for "god" or however you call it.

"Chances are huge. Same for "god" or however you call it" IF your actually a scientist as you claim you would never make an irrational claim like this. It goes against all scientific reasoning. What hypothesis did you use to come to this conclusion? "god" is based on mans ancient belief that something created us thats supernatural. There has never been and never will be any scientific data/information to even hint that this is possible. the whole concept requires irrational thought. In this day and age that someone would believe the writings from the bronze age where people who made up these types of stories thought that the earth was flat and and was the center of the universe is just crazy.

[Wolf_Rider]

I might mention "Cargo Cult" at this point, with regard to "irrational thinking" claims

[Querer]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

IF your actually a scientist as you claim you would never make an irrational claim like this. It goes against all scientific reasoning. What hypothesis did you use to come to this conclusion? "god" is based on mans ancient belief that something created us thats supernatural. There has never been and never will be any scientific data/information to even hint that this is possible. the whole concept requires irrational thought. In this day and age that someone would believe the writings from the bronze age where people who made up these types of stories thought that the earth was flat and and was the center of the universe is just crazy.

Huh, you should not just take one piece of my post and comment it without the rest of the context. With "same for god" I was actually referring to the fact that there are still things missing a scientific explanation (as UFOs and Aliens stuff does sometimes) and that people usually need to have everything explained. I was not really clear on that one though, sorry for that. Of course you're right in your explanation about the irrationality

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

I didnt expect you to have any evidence..why? Because in my exhaustive search for the truth I discovered that there is none.

Omg lol you really are thick aren't you?

read this carefully:

OF COURSE THERE IS NO PROOF YA NIMROD!

For every picture you can produce as evidence I'll match it with one of a ghost/demon/angel/etc.

What's the difference between a ghost and an alien? For all intents and purposes, not having ANY clue about where this alien is from, WHY it is here, WHAT does it want, and HOW did it get here, ghost could be aliens or angels or demons or ancient Mayan gods. YOU just choose to believe they are from unreachable worlds from the nether parts of the universe because it appeals to you much like angel sightings appeal to religious believers.

I find it hilarious after all the posts I've made in this thread that you still want to build some sort of religious strawman for me that you can use to try and justify your logic for the existence of alien visitors. Sorry son but that dog don't hunt.

So in case you missed this as well I'm also going to say that my whole point in this thread isn't to say that alien visitors to earth don't exist. Simply that the sheer cumulative lack of ANY compelling evidence over the last 50 years, and especially the last decade or so (considering the proliferation of easily accessible video/digital cameras and cellphones) leads anyone with any sort of rational reasoning to conclude that the whole phenomenon has a very low probability of any merit.

Coupled with studies contributing to our understanding of mass delusion phenomenon and other physiological responses (see alien abduction syndrome) it starts to reveal an even greater likelihood that most if not all of these "sightings" are less than real, and certainly none that are suggestive, beyond biased conjecture, of space travelers.

From a scientific perspective, visiting aliens are certainly not impossible, just statistically improbable as each year passes without anything tangible. If you tell me you choose to believe in aliens that's fine, and who knows you could be right in the end, but it's your staunch conviction that causes me to reply that you are no different than a Christian or Muslim - save the rituals - due to the necessity for you to have "faith" to make the leap in logic to arrive at your conclusion.