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[von Pilsner]

Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop.

England & Wales 1.45
United States 8.55

After researching one statistic on one page of wikipedia for about 35 seconds it would seem we either have a higher percentage of homicidal folks in the USA, gun availability does matter, random internet statistics don't tell the whole story, some other variables (standard of living, industrialization, political climate) change things dramatically, or our societies are a lot different than I thought.

Maybe if it were 5.9 times more likely you would be murdered you'd want to own a gun too.... (I own 2 ) conversely if I lived in a society where guns and homicide were less common I probably would not care if I owned guns or not (ok, shooting targets is pretty fun).

[drewpee]

Still don't get the idea that a civilized world is safer with guns. Are we also to believe nuclear weapons makes our planet safer? They are also said to be for self defence.
As far as the argument that cars are more dangerous that's ludacris. What about ambulances, fire engines, supply trucks and farm vehicles. They're a necessary risk. Saving far more than killing.

[baronWastelan]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

touche, but that just means we can't bomb people from the sea. plenty enough cruise missiles and the like left.

Don't forget the RAF which can be billeted comfortably in Italian hotels and from there bomb Africa, as they have been doing these past few months. Personally I would much rather live in a hotel in Italy than on a ship, so this represents a major step forward for the British Empire.