customer satisfaction poll

[Pudfark]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Well so far the poll is conclusive-

LUTHIER TALK TO US.
Even the whining poll suggest we need more whining lol

New category: Poll Troll
I voted with the majority

[Dano]

I don't need regular updates, doesn't stop me wanting them though

[David Hayward]

I was not aware that poll results were binding on the devs.

[Tempered]

The poll might as well say "Would you like one million dollars?". Everyone pretty much wants everything they can get. Does everyone need a million dollars? No.

What if they gave you a million dollars, one penny a week. Not much use, is it? That is what you are asking for. You want your million dollars at one penny a week.

What do you want the devs to update you on regularly? "We changed variable xyz to zyx today." A total waste of time.

Software development takes time, and squashing bugs can take even longer. When they have something worth updating the community on, I'm sure they will inform everyone.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Tempered

The poll might as well say "Would you like one million dollars?". Everyone pretty much wants everything they can get. Does everyone need a million dollars? No.

What if they gave you a million dollars, one penny a week. Not much use, is it? That is what you are asking for. You want your million dollars at one penny a week.

What do you want the devs to update you on regularly? "We changed variable xyz to zyx today." A total waste of time.

Software development takes time, and squashing bugs can take even longer. When they have something worth updating the community on, I'm sure they will inform everyone.

It's funny how the ideas that you and David have in your mind of what we want (which you have the presumption to think is actually what we want) is on a very unreasonable level.

What you don't seem to think of is that if anything, an update every fortnight, with the news being given in an intelligent and pro-active manner, will actually help develop more sympathy and support even among the newcomers, don't you think? Everyone's morale is boosted, everybody wins!

[Tempered]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It's funny how the ideas that you and David have in your mind of what we want (which you have the presumption to think is actually what we want) is on a very unreasonable level.

What you don't seem to think of is that if anything, an update every fortnight, with the news being given in an intelligent and pro-active manner, will actually help develop more sympathy and support even among the newcomers, don't you think? Everyone's morale is boosted, everybody wins!

Amazing. One post and you already know what I think and yet somehow manage to miss the entire point of my post.

So what is it that "we" actually want that I don't seem to understand? It seems to me that you want regular updates. Is this not so?

I'm not sure where you get that I believe your request is "unreasonable". I've stated that I believe weekly updates are pointless when there is nothing to update. Luthier just gave such an update and much of the community found it either pointless or insulting. Are you asking for more of the same?

[Ibis]

I voted "not sure"
because either way it brings the dummy spitters out of the woodwork making this forum look like "Aunty Amies Agony Column".

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Chivas

I don't need regular updates, certainly not weekly updates, as there is seldom enough done in a week worth commenting on. A update every two or three weeks when there is something of substance would be just fine.

That's my take on things too. There's no need for updates if there's nothing new to tell.

That being said, i want to address Tree's weird notion that he speaks for everyone because he doesn't and that's not only by taking his "fanboy" opponents into account. I've done a load of testing on the sim, differentiated between bugs and legitimate features, strived to come up with work-arounds to known issues and at some of these i succeeded and told other people about too.

So it's not like i haven't been telling people left and right what's wrong with the sim (the operative difference being i was usually telling them a bit about how to fix it as well instead of just engaging in "forum sniping").

In other words, you can't weasel your way out of this by plastering a "fanboy" label across my forehead because i've probably come up with and informed people of way more bugs than your personal favorite TWO issues (sounds and anti-aliasing), which is something that "fanboys" don't do for fear of damaging the sim's reputation.

So, let's start...

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

thats good for you mate, but your in a very small minority, look above at the poll results.

Like i said before, i don't consider the poll representative because it doesn't provide an option for what Chivas said (which is also what i was saying a few posts back and repeating here): if there's nothing new to show, the only update worth doing is "we're still working on X and it's going such and such". You know, the kind of update that got the "majority" so offended.

I doubt you'd be willing to accept that as an update but no matter how you try to convince us otherwise, the reality of it all is simple: if the cake is not baked yet you can't eat it.

And no, it's far from certain we are a minority because usually most of us are quiet and the rest of the time the polls don't have a suitable option to reflect how many of us are around.

That's exactly why i didn't vote even though i would like to see updates, you have a bad habit of interpreting everything only in the way that suits your agenda, you regularly twist a single sentence into something so different from it's original meaning that a contortionist would be jealous of you and i don't want to lend any credence to that.

You don't represent me, you don't speak for me and i guess many others share the same opinion, they are increasing by the day as long as you keep aggressively pursuing the same "tactics" on the forums. Look, here's a new one that's saying exactly what i've been telling everyone the last couple of days and what Chivas told you a few posts back:

Originally Posted by Tempered

The poll might as well say "Would you like one million dollars?". Everyone pretty much wants everything they can get. Does everyone need a million dollars? No.

What if they gave you a million dollars, one penny a week. Not much use, is it? That is what you are asking for. You want your million dollars at one penny a week.

What do you want the devs to update you on regularly? "We changed variable xyz to zyx today." A total waste of time.

Software development takes time, and squashing bugs can take even longer. When they have something worth updating the community on, I'm sure they will inform everyone.

Oh, here's another one:

Originally Posted by FFCW_Urizen

Do i want a regular update on what´s going on? Yes.
Do i need weekly updates? Definitely not!
I´d say once a month is more than sufficient, but that´s just for me.

And btw, why is almost everyone assuming that regular equals weekly?

So Long
Uri

And yet another one, who talks about what most of you are so tight lipped about, that fact that some people were all frothing at the mouth for it to be released and were having similar fits to the current one whenever a release delay was announced, but when they suddenly got their wish they just washed their hands clean of it all and started pretending they got deceived:

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

I have a few issues with this poll, a) misleading name (should be update satisfaction), b) like too many polls it's either not inclusive enough or biased.

I would like more info in the updates we get, but I don't need a weekly update. I see where things have come vs where they started and for me I am very satisfied with the progress made. I wish it were in better shape, and yes I'd like more information from the team than we've seen in awhile, but this poll is disingenuous.

I think we all want more info of what is going on, but I'd rather progress continue to be made than capitulation to the community which lets all be honest was at least a factor in the disastrous product we ended up with. Myself included. Ultimately yes the devs chose niggling issues of the community over major issues with the game, but we are not fully without blame.

So, how can they have been deceived? You know Tree, i'd be willing to place a higher importance on your posts if you at least admitted you've screwed up at certain times in the past through self contradiction, but all we hear about is how your predictions were right.

A dozen or so were bound to be, because to be honest, you predicted everything under the sun...you're not a clairvoyant, it's just statistics and the equivalent to saying "i predict your dice roll will be a number between 1 and 6", whoop-de-doo, big deal.

Well you can't have your cake and eat it too, you either predicted it or you got misled. If you knew the sim would be so awful and went ahead with a day one purchase no matter what, despite the already existing negative feedback from the Russian release i might add which was freely available to all of us including non-clairvoyants and mere mortals, you only have yourself to blame and it doesn't call for any sympathy on our part.

In other words, if you knew so much how come you got suckered in? You either didn't know that much in the first place or you where asking for it, in which case your cries for expediency are for the rest of us a tragicomic pass-time that is however way past its expiration date. The joke has gotten old, give it a rest or i'll slap up another multi-pager exposing the flaws in your arguments at the first convenient moment and as soon as i have accumulated some fresh material (which you so kindly provide at such a high volume).

Oops, yet another person who's fed up

Originally Posted by Ibis

I voted "not sure"
because either way it brings the dummy spitters out of the woodwork making this forum look like "Aunty Amies Agony Column".

So, i don't know how many of us there are that share this opinion, but the more you post the number grows.

If you want to know how many of us there are you could start a poll with the proper options instead of using a skewed one as arbitrary proof that the community 100% agrees with you. If you think i'm alone in holding this opinion, once more think again:

Originally Posted by Chivas

The available answers in this Poll could only generate that outcome. Of course everyone would like regular updates, and would probably like them every Friday, but it would be impossible for the developers to have enough done in a week, to make a weekly update worthwhile.

The weekly updates later in the first Il-2 series only worked because the sim was finished long before it was released. They could drip feed us weekly info that was already accomplished, while they developed the demo.

Just for the record, four of the above quotes are from posts made in sequence by different people you know.

At this rate there might be enough of us to outnumber your vocal little group of half a dozen "fire starters" by the end of the week, then maybe we can start a suitably biased poll of our own asking for a division of the forum a la SimHQ to be enforced by some iron-handed moderation and we'll be set to go. Will you take a taste of your own medicine or will you act all victimized if such a thing comes to pass? Because you see, we can all play this game, it's not that hard you know.

No offence as usual, as long as you keep repeating it i'll keep answering to it, that's all, because i hate it when people act like they're speaking on my behalf just to make it seem like they have "bodies for the cause" backing them up. You don't have our support because we don't agree with your speculative assessments and your way of doing things Tree, that's all.

We don't hate you and we don't want the sim to fail, we're just bored of your repetitiveness just like you're bored of the bugs. And while none of us can do anything to make the patches come any faster, you and others like you have the power to save us some of the grief of reading the same things over and over again, by coming up with something of more variety. I mean, how are we to sympathise with you and your cause when you're doing to everyone else what Luthier is doing to you?

The answer is simple, we can't, and as time goes by more and more people openly confront you and oppose your propositions. If that's acceptable to you, then you surely have a weird way of getting people on board

[Pudfark]

Respectfully Blackdog, you over looked something?
Tree_UK does represent a lot of thoughts here, to include mine...
I would have posted more than I have....It's just that he beat me to it.

The poll here represents that...and support for his views/statements.

Here is the one thing that we all may agree upon?
Luthier can put this "fire" out anytime he wants to....

What is of concern to me?
Why won't he?

Thanx Tree, you saved me a lot of typing the last couple of days.

[robtek]

Respectfully, Pudfark,

how do you come to the conclusion that Tree represents more than the max. 12 people which agree with him from time to time????

Dont tell me you actually believe in those "polls", which are as biased as possible.