Mods discussion, links, etc

[Azimech]

And as Aviar posted, it makes sense.

Even I was against soundmods but recently with HSFX 5 it seems that the Tiger sound mod really is a step forward, original sound cannot compete in any way anymore, and I refuse to accept the old. I posted a great idea and some people agree with me, that a folder with custom sounds to be parsed by the system, could be a nice alternative for anyone who wants compatibility online and still enjoy the sounds they want. Never any reaction to it. "Can't be done" doesn't exist, it's all about the effort. Never forget why the game was hacked in the first place. And "we" are not interested in Oleg's personal preference, he once wrote he very much liked the sounds as they were, well ... that's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't explain the energy that has been put in to replace them all. Almost every aspect of IL2 has evolved since 2001, but the last real change with the sounds occurred with the introduction of Forgotten Battles, 2003. And the game was hacked in 2006. And all this time it "seems" both Maddox Games and TD never wanted to listen to the community. Wouldn't be nice if the sound system got an overhaul for a change? If people want to hear Star Wars lasers or maybe the knights who say NI instead of guns, it's their preference. Create a folder where people can dump their own samples and if there aren't any, you hear stock. Couldn't affect online if done properly.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by fabianfred

Does this mean that TD are going to stop changing the codes just to throw a spanner in the works of the modders? I had heard that 4.11 was especially aiming to do this.
Of course I could be imagining it all....it just seems that way sometimes...

Of course it is only the imagination of a few paranoid guys, because it is simply not true. Thats just a bad talking.
If we change something on the code or the game anyway, it is for our own development reasons only and I find it really irritating, that anyone might get angry about it.

Originally Posted by Aviar

Actually, it looks as if UltraPack has already decided to split from DT.

Which hopefully means, that they stop to include DT's work without any asking. I'd really like to see them going their own way.

[Azimech]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Which hopefully means, that they stop to include DT's work without any asking. I'd really like to see them going their own way.

I don't agree with your statement but I don't have the time left to elaborate right now. TD's work is as much important as the work done by other teams/modders. I very much respect your work as I do the things done by other people. "We" don't want two different games, "we" want the best of all. Communication is the key, and I feel 1C/Maddox Games finally has given us a way to close the gap. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone puts away past differences and see the broader picture?

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Unfortunately the picture is much broader than you think. No time to eloborate either.

[dFrog]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Which hopefully means, that they stop to include DT's work without any asking. I'd really like to see them going their own way.

Well, they're not alone. Remember Flakiten's flares ? And that's not the only one case.

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

I am for honesty and truth. Even if it hurts.

Me too, see above.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by dFrog

Well, they're not alone. Remember Flakiten's flares ? And that's not the only one case.

List, please. Otherwise - you are a liar.

[Maori]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Which hopefully means, that they stop to include DT's work without any asking.

Sorry but this is absurd.

Modders just mod on top of the official stock game. Have they asked permission to Oleg and 1C to do so? well, no.

Why? Because it was supposed to be an action of love towards the game, not vandalism (as some seem to see it). All this of course without any aim of profit. Also to mod is just a customization of the game. Everybody takes for granted and knows the stock game is what allows MODS to exist (let us put aside the guys that everywhere exist and like to just stirr conflict, those shouldn't count in this discussion).

So my question is: are you modders or are you the official game? Begging for permissions reminds me some petty modders. I understand the wish of a respectfull use (most reasonable people does follow such use).

In any case, if you are official, you are BEYOND and ABOVE that discourse. You are the CORE of IL2 and as such, you'll be probably modded as were other parts of the game. If you see it as disrespect, I think you are on the wrong track.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Maori

Sorry but this is absurd.

Modders just mod on top of the official stock game. Have they asked permission to Oleg and 1C to do so? well, no.

Why? Because it was supposed to be an action of love towards the game, not vandalism (as some seem to see it). All this of course without any aim of profit. Also to mod is just a customization of the game. Everybody takes for granted and knows the stock game is what allows MODS to exist (let us put aside the guys that everywhere exist and like to just stirr conflict, those shouldn't count in this discussion).

So my question is: are you modders or are you the official game? Begging for permissions reminds me some petty modders. I understand the wish of a respectfull use (most reasonable people does follow such use).

In any case, if you are official, you are BEYOND and ABOVE that discourse. You are the CORE of IL2 and as such, you'll be probably modded as were other parts of the game. If you see it as disrespect, I think you are on the wrong track.

DT has licensing permissions with IL2 developer to make changes throughout the entire IL2 application source code. That means DT updates in every situation I am aware have also made changes in the programming, not just applying some new aircraft, object or editing some other graphic elements.

The DT updated versions should be looked upon as the CORE IL2 application, because core changes are usually part of the updates. Therefore, other 3rd party mods should be installed after DT updates and configured accordingly.

Applying mods directly to the IL2 1946 pre-DT updates might work and may never be a problem, that is dependent upon the type of mod I suggest.

It is important to understand the above distinction, and not to look on the TD as just another mod.

In practical terms... TD updated versions of IL2 are the IL2 application.