Bf-110 is THE fighter

[adonys]

You guys throwing numbers against Luftwaffe and stating how badly were the brits outnumbered during BoB and how heroically were they doing forget your facts:
- actually, you can't be so stupid to count bombers in that comparison, I assume it was a mistake from your part
- Luftwaffe fighters had less than 10 (actually around 5) combat minutes over Britain due to the lack of fuel tanks (which actually counted as the major reason for the BoB's outcome)
- each bailing out Luftwaffe pilot was a loss (PoW), compared with the brit pilots who could fly the next day again
- brits fighters acting as free fighters, while german one were mostly forced to fly as escrots
- the local superiority achieved by the brits fighters due to the use of radar and Center Command operational management

You actually also forget that the brits were those starting the civil targets bombing campaign (the night raid on Berlin), which outraged Hitler who changed the strategical objectives of the BoB campaign in order to respond to the british outrageous behavior.

You also forget that there were the exact words of the british command leaders saying that the german campaign would have continued with the initial strategical targets, they would have been forced to admit defeat in less than 2 weeks, as they actually were right on the edge.

It's quite strange to see how history is modeled by the victors even in our media revolution times, and how easily people are forgetting the real facts of what happened right under their very eyes.

[Fjordmonkey]

Historical accuracy aside, if you underestimate a 110 ingame, you will be punished severely for it. And if flown by a competent human pilot, you better know how to fight it and exploit it's weaknesses. Or you'll be riding the silk elevator, if you even make it that far.

I think the 110 ingame is one of the more interesting aircraft to fly, since it takes real skill to employ it well. And where a burst of fire from a Hurricane or Spitfire can damage a 110, a burst from the 110 can shred the Hurri or the Spit. I've had people attack me when I'm in a 110 head on, and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the idiocy of such a manouver.

[Blue 5]

You also forget that there were the exact words of the british command leaders saying that the german campaign would have continued with the initial strategical targets, they would have been forced to admit defeat in less than 2 weeks, as they actually were right on the edge.

Umm, that's completely untrue; Parks talks about being in an 'uncomfortable situation'. He is very sanguine about the probability of winning, stating that given losses of aircraft and pilots vs output, the RAF will probably win in the end. Given he had more aircraft and pilots on strength in early September that he did at the end of July, and only Manston had been rendered unuseable as a full-time base, he was right.

Despite what was written in the 1960s, Fighter Command at the time were fairly optimistic based on the data they had. 1,030 vs 825 fighter losses on both sides by end of September (not that they had precise Luftwaffe loss rates) shows why they were right. The 'Narrow Margin' is a myth, like the 'useless 110'.

[He111]

Can you change the armament in COD ?? I would like to see the rear gunner with a 20mm cannon, then lets see how vulnerable it is!

Actually Arm all the He111 with 20mm dorsal guns then 109s can do what they like! LOL!


He111.

[Friendly_flyer]

If we consider the CoD as a fair representation of BoB combat machines, I guess we'll see soon enough how the 110 would fare if handled well tactically.

[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by He111

Can you change the armament in COD ?? I would like to see the rear gunner with a 20mm cannon, then lets see how vulnerable it is!

Actually Arm all the He111 with 20mm dorsal guns then 109s can do what they like! LOL!


He111.

Never had 20mm, but did get MG-81z, twin 7.92 BB's, 3600 RPM :O

111 had 13mm installed

[Doc_uk]

Originally Posted by lbuchele

It´s a new beast compared to Il2 in my opinion.
If used with B&Z tatics you can eat spitfires and hurricanes for lunch.
The visuals in this game are so incredible too,I was catching a Spitfire with diffficulty, almost in tree top height,with no hope to reach it,when decided to do a high yo-yo,and suddenly have a brief firing solution: give it a 2 sec burst and just saw one single hit in the left aileron when the spit was in a 90 degree turn.
It slowly turn even more to te left and crash to the ground exploding beautifully.
There are so many of this beautiful moments happening, but it´s really difficult to me to express in words because I´m not a native english speaking person...

You proberly had everything set on easy
And you dont eat spits for lunch, you might for breakfast, but not lunch

[Strike]

Personally I think the 110 is more like using a 20 mm gun firing a single round against a flying sparrow.

If you set everything up just right, and add a little luck you might just hit it as it zooms by. And the result? Devastation! Ziel zerstört!!!

[lbuchele]

Originally Posted by Doc_uk

You proberly had everything set on easy
And you dont eat spits for lunch, you might for breakfast, but not lunch

I don't fly on easy,but I'm not using CEM,because a just don't have the time enough to learn it,yet...

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by lbuchele

It´s a new beast compared to Il2 in my opinion.
If used with B&Z tatics you can eat spitfires and hurricanes for lunch.
The visuals in this game are so incredible too,I was catching a Spitfire with diffficulty, almost in tree top height,with no hope to reach it,when decided to do a high yo-yo,and suddenly have a brief firing solution: give it a 2 sec burst and just saw one single hit in the left aileron when the spit was in a 90 degree turn.
It slowly turn even more to te left and crash to the ground exploding beautifully.
There are so many of this beautiful moments happening, but it´s really difficult to me to express in words because I´m not a native english speaking person...

Anybody said "the" fighter?



agreed.