Friday 2010-11-19 Dev. update and Discussion

[matsher]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

There was only one squadron operating cannon armed 1b's during the battle, and these usually jammed, to the extent that 19 squadron demanded their .303's back.
Eight .303's toed in to converge at a point at 200 yards have more effect than people tend to give them credit for.

Originally Posted by Sutts

Thanks Rodolphe! Very nice picture indeed. That's the clearest damage shot I've seen so far. Wonder if the larger holes were caused by larger caliber rounds or .303s striking at an angle?

Cheers

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Nice pictures of battle damage. I guess the bigger holes do indeed come from the projectiles striking at an angle as Sutts says.

You can see that they are not so round but elliptical in shape, indicative of a line of travel more or less parallel to the fuselage at the time of impact which results in "dragging" more of the fuselage skin along with the bullet as it penetrates.

Perfectly round holes on the other hand would be due to impact at a near 90 degree angle to the fuselage.

Finally, their appearance could also be slightly affected by the camera's viewpoint/orientation in relation to them when taking the picture.

Always nice to go on a collective hunt for the small details

Originally Posted by Rodolphe

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G1+FR is the same He 111 as shown on the first picture present by Sutts
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=211




This aircraft was shot down on the August 16th raid to Feltham.
Flight Lieutenant Boyd of No. 602 Squadron put between 300 and 400 bullets holes in the bomber before it crashed at High Salvington, Sussex.





An innocent victim of the war !
The Corporal (right) and Private (left) are carrying ammunition drums "Doppeltrommel" for the MG15.




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Originally Posted by Sutts

Looking back through some old SoW shots, I found this one which matches pretty accurately the kind of .303 damage we're seeing in the period photos.

I hope the big hole was caused by flak or perhaps an exploding oxygen cylinder.

Maybe in a future patch we could see the elongated holes too where the round strikes at an angle. All in good time. LOL

Originally Posted by major_setback

Badly beaten:

As much as I am a fan of realism, tonight I am in LaLa land (So please indulge me)
I can't stand the thought of having to put in hundreds of rifle rounds into a Nazi machine only to do some interior redecorating. These wonderful historical pictures make me mad just looking at them. I want to have the Deep satisfaction of seeing the wings sheer off, huge explosions, fireballs and mayhem.

All these fantastic screenshots are really getting my blood up...
I want to customize my spit into a pimped out hell machine, Instead of my 8 .303's I want 8 Vulcan Gatling guns ( Yeah, thats right, 48 barrels of screaming allied death)

Now before all you guys get all like, he's soooo unreasonable, I am prepared to compromise... The Vulcan's might be asking a wee bit too much, so to show you that I am a totally reasonable psychotic, I am prepared to settle for 8 of those cute little Cobra Gatling 3 barrel 20mm numbers. I don't think thats asking too much.



Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

Thanks, rant over - La La land is a great place to be ...
This is what happens when you watch "hottub Time Machine"
and then read the weekly updates...

[swiss]

I hope you're just drunk.

But know you mention it, a few rapid fire Bk3.7 in FW190 would be cool to have, those B17 are pita to shoot down. lol

[Les]

Originally Posted by matsher

As much as I am a fan of realism, tonight I am in LaLa land (So please indulge me)
I can't stand the thought of having to put in hundreds of rifle rounds into a Nazi machine only to do some interior redecorating. These wonderful historical pictures make me mad just looking at them. I want to have the Deep satisfaction of seeing the wings sheer off, huge explosions, fireballs and mayhem.

All these fantastic screenshots are really getting my blood up...
I want to customize my spit into a pimped out hell machine, Instead of my 8 .303's I want 8 Vulcan Gatling guns ( Yeah, thats right, 48 barrels of screaming allied death)

Now before all you guys get all like, he's soooo unreasonable, I am prepared to compromise... The Vulcan's might be asking a wee bit too much, so to show you that I am a totally reasonable psychotic, I am prepared to settle for 8 of those cute little Cobra Gatling 3 barrel 20mm numbers. I don't think thats asking too much.



Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

Thanks, rant over - La La land is a great place to be ...
This is what happens when you watch "hottub Time Machine"
and then read the weekly updates...

La la land or not, you do raise the point, inadvertently perhaps, that the new series will be openly moddable to a great extent.

A sufficiently motivated individual or group could make jet-powered flying out-houses if they wanted to. The scope is wide open for outright fantasy mods. Whatever you can imagine. Flying cars, Snoopy and the Red Barron, X-wings and Tie-fighters, UFO's, laser-firing rocket-powered bi-planes, cartoon planes shooting marshmallows at witches on broomsticks, you name it.

It seems most of us, most of the time, are so wrapped up in our preferred range of interests we forget the potential mods and products that could be spun out of what Oleg and his team are putting together here.

I wouldn't play them myself, but I think it'd be great to see sales of the overall series increased through projects like that. Pure arcade xxxx, or outright kids stuff aimed literally at four year olds. Bring it on.

No need for it to interfere with the sort of stuff we're into here, and it can only be good if it increases overall sales of the base product or engine.

Anyway, just sayin.

[Foo'bar]

Originally Posted by matsher

Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

Some of you're taking it just too personal, I guess

[He111]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Precisely, which is what angers me so much about idiotic viewpoints like He111 expressed. The cost to the UK to fight Germany was a massive price, and I'm not talking about money alone. When I look back on it after hearing these sorts of comments a part of me just asks why we just didn't bother and let Hitler cut up Poland for good while we made hay from it all instead. Of course there was so much evil going on that would've been morally contemptible so not withstanding the political position of a strong German empire we did what was right - but it's not enough for some Poles, they are bitter about why we didn't do anything about Stalins massive army Ultimately Poland was simply a weak nation that we stood by as best we could. Maybe if the Poland weren't so keen on handing themselves a Baltic port after WW1 and carving Germany in two and upsetting their other neighbours by taking their territory from 1918-21 then perhaps they would've been bypassed in the first place.

What idiotic viewpoints? that Poland should have been allowed to march in the Victory parade? or that Osprey is a IL2 troll who thinks he knows better than anyones else even when he misinterprets posts? Anyway it wasn't my viewpoint, it was the view of the documentary, which i accepted as accurate. Although i should have realised Osprey knows more about WW2 than any documentary maker!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by He111

What idiotic viewpoints? that Poland should have been allowed to march in the Victory parade? or that Osprey is a IL2 troll who thinks he knows better than anyones else even when he misinterprets posts? Anyway it wasn't my viewpoint, it was the view of the documentary, which i accepted as accurate. Although i should have realised Osprey knows more about WW2 than any documentary maker!

I simply reacted to your post declaring that Poland was betrayed by her Allies after Polish pilots excelled in the BoB. You cited no reference to a TV program nor mentioned anything to do with a victory parade.

And I do get rather tired of this fallacy that somehow Polish pilots were way better than all of the other nations in the BoB. Or is it years of line shooting on their behalf that has distorted the facts of the matter, or are they some sort of master race?

Just as a reminder here's what you wrote:

Originally Posted by He111

Polish Sqn 303 (not to be confussed with the gun) were famous for setting their guns at 100 yards and shooting germans down in quick order at that range. There was a doco done, poles were shafted in more ways than one in that war especially by allies!

Sorry Luke, I just feel like a good argument this weekend

[He111]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Not wanting to inflame yet another slanging match, but I saw the documentary. It was part of a series showing the importance of the participation of foreign nationals in many of Britain's conflicts throughout history. Quite well done and informative.

It discussed the diplomatic embarrassment of Churchill, having commited in 1940 to restoring all European borders and governments, being unable to do so in the case of the subsequent 'Eastern Bloc' including Poland.
He's correct in that the Poles were not allowed to participate in the Victory marches, in spite of their outstanding contribution to the overall victory.
A sad circumstance brought about by diplomatic failures. I don't think He111 suggested that the Cold War should have been warmed up a bit, just that it was sad about the ignoring of the Poles at the parades.

I also don't think anyone with any knowledge of WWII worth speaking of would either underestimate or belittle the Poles from any perspective.

Thanks, I couldn't have replied better myself. Funny, one agreeing post was deleted then the rant? what's going on?

BTW, those Defiant kill shots, experienced 109 pilots attacked from 6 oclock low or head on. I hope the AI has this understanding, ie don't attack from 6 oclock high. To counter that, I hope the Defiant AI banks left or right giving the gunner full view of anything below.

another interesting point, 264 sqn developed interesting tactics to defend against 109s. I think it was a descending spiral or defensive circle. I hope the AI can do that as well! .. please!

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