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10-02-2010, 07:11 PM
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 Mr Maddox also commented on the weathering of squadron codes etc. being a 'bug' that they may or may not resolve. It can be seen on one of the G50 shots there there is something happening to the lettering where the paint is worn, but it doesn't look quite right. Not 'worn off' enough perhaps. This isn't something that would bother me at all in the initial release, compared to IL2 they look great, but looking at the screenshot and filmmaker potential of the sim, what do others think? 
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10-03-2010, 01:49 AM
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10-03-2010, 04:45 AM
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I really didn't want to get "sucked into" this whole topic... But its obvious that most of the people here have absolutely NO IDEA about the proper way to communicate their criticism of an ongoing creative project. I have been a working musician and an artist...and I have collaborated with many brilliant artists...and I can tell you, "for a fact", that insulting, marginalizing, or speaking presumptively (the presumption being that Oleg finds all this bickering educational) with the artist, IS NOT, the way to communicate your thoughts. I'm gonna "tap out" now (lol)....  P.S. Old_Canuck...I'm not really commenting on your statement as much as I'm communicating my thoughts after reading your thoughts. I hope that is ok. Last edited by proton45; 10-03-2010 at 04:48 AM.
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10-03-2010, 05:31 AM
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Don't get discouraged if someone shouts you down and don't get dragged down to petty arguments, just keep providing your opinion and feedback in the manner you just did and all is going to be ok. I think you'll do just fine. As for your request, i would never use something like that but i can recognize that other people would find it useful. As long as time constraints and coding limitations permit, i wouldn't mind one bit if it was included as a feature of this upcoming flight simulator. Like i always say what's bad is forcing a certain set of preferences on everyone because not everyone has the same taste, but extra options are never a bad thing. In that sense, even though i would never use it i can still see the usefulness of it for other people. Also as Baron said, it would a serve as a useful transition point from no-cockpit view to full cockpit view and anything that helps people move from lower to higher realism settings is useful in my opinion. Just because someone is flying on lower difficulty settings doesn't mean he should be shunned and made fun of. From where i'm standing, the best thing to do would be to guide that person through increasing difficulty settings and showcase the amount of satisfaction that comes with increased challenges, but i know that some steps of this progression tend to have a steep learning curve. Such a feature would be very useful in bridging part of that gap. The only concern, again as Baron has already stated, is how much effect it would have on frame rates because it increases the amount of things to be rendered. On another note... Quote:
For me, the most important thing to be gleaned from the Friday updates is not the quality displayed because that changes constantly due to testing. In fact, we've seen a lot of older update shots where things look better than newer ones and vice versa. What happens is that most people take the most recent set of screenshots as a universal quality benchmark that supersedes and "overwrites" all previous updates, while that is most probably not the case. Instead of doing that, people should take the time to look back to previous updates and accumulate all the positive points of what's there if they want to have a more thorough look at what's possible with the new engine. Maybe our PCs can't run it at full tilt just yet and that's why certain features move up and down on the quality scale? With regards to PC resources, it's one thing to show a fully detailed aircraft in the object viewer or a static shot with nothing happening (not even the propeller turning) like we've seen in the past, but a totally different one to show a shot of a full-blown combat sequence where some things will have to be set to lower detail in order to maintain playable frame rates. So, how can we dissect these updates properly? I'd say it's the pace of progress made that matters and trust me, from my point of view progress is happening rapidly. We just have to be able to accumulate all the positive points from the previous updates as well, instead of assuming that what we see is final each week. Some shots might be taken with aircraft detail at 60% and terrain detail at 80%, others could be taken with aircraft detail at 100% and terrain detail at 40%, because it's too heavy to run on the PC used to take the screenshots. Of course you don't need highly playable FPS just to snap a few stills, but thing about something else...these guys are on a tight schedule and every minute counts. If showing things at full detail on the medium range PC used for optimizing the sim to run on lower spec systems means a 10 minute loading time, then the developers will just drop the graphics sliders in the options to make it load in 2 minutes and snap the pictures using that setting because they have other more important things to do, like finishing the game for example
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10-03-2010, 10:07 AM
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I've never bought the argument, used by some here, that the destructive critique is somehow more useful to Oleg, or that his main reason for posting is so that we can enlighten him with our superior insight and knowledge. Last edited by kendo65; 10-05-2010 at 12:12 PM.
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10-03-2010, 11:09 AM
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I still don't think we've seen a shot of the finished terrain..not really Compared to that Hurricane low over that section of London with even smoke coming out of a chimney why would everything look like mush from 10,000 feet. It just doesn't make sense to me. Wait until the website comes and if it still looks worse than that lawnmower sounding WOP then you can really complain.
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#7
10-02-2010, 05:42 PM
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During discussions about this update, Oleg expressed his disdain of some members expressed attitudes. Oleg made it clear he didn't appreciate the verbal jabs and hinted about ceasing to post. Members of this forums want the updates and they want the discussions with Oleg or Luthier. Stringent moderation will be maintained, especially on the first day when there is viable discussion. After a couple days there is no longer anything, but banter between members so moderation will not be as strict. Moderators receive immediate emails when you click on the report this post icon in the upper right corner. Moderators don't hang out on the forums all the time, but with instant email notifications we can take care of issues very quickly.
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10-02-2010, 06:00 PM
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In fact ive never seen him angry at members or saying people cant express their viewpoint. To be honest Nearmiss ive thought your moderation of late has been spot on. 
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