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Old 06-19-2010, 11:45 AM
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Well look like you have never had a 6 point harness on and what the shoulder strap are for is to stop you move forward and up, the conforming seat that they don't you in 1944 are what stop you moving side way. As it was the harness don't work that well and that meant there was the needed to have cushioning for the gun site because the pilot would hit them with violent maneuvers and crash landing. Also pilot would often have bruised arms after dog fighters from being bang from side to side in the copit.
It’s possible that you’re right and I’m wrong. Anyway I looked again your video, and I can’t see any sideways movement of pilot’s body and even of his shoulders. Looking at the cramped space available for left arm, it’s easy to understand why pilots reported bruises in combat. Here is the point. I’ve seen many photos of WWII pilots cruising along without shoulder harness, or with them loose. So, factoring in “loose harness”, a wide range of movement could be allowed. But then, during dogfight, the player-pilot that chooses “loose harness” should not be allowed violent manoeuvres and particularly negative g ones. Theoretically all is possible, but perhaps it’s better to look for a reasonable compromise.

My opinion is that pilot’s head should be allowed to move within a relatively small box. This should be also easier for available cockpits.
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Old 06-19-2010, 12:56 PM
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The pilot in black 6 did not move side to side once in that video. How could he? His shoulders were right up against the sides of the fuselage.

Any movement you see is due to vibration and or the action of g-loads on the pilot.

In many ways I agree that as currently implemented 6DOF is wildly optimistic in it's ability to let you roam around in the cockpit. Especially in the very small European aircraft. A 109 or a Spit has a tiny cockpit compared to a P47.
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:00 PM
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Hello. I have sent you a few ideas via mail, but no response. So, I'm posting them here :

1- More countries. Judging from existence of Sanka's Forgotten Countries mod and how it's done, it won't be that hard. By term more countries I mean at least :

Brazil (allied) - seen some action in Italy
Bulgaria (axis at least)
China (nationalist + communist)
Croatia (axis)
Czechoslovakia (guess where I'm from)
Korea (North + South)
Mexico (allied) - seen some action in Pacific
Russian Liberation Army (axis) - wonder what Oleg will say, this isn't beloved part of their history
Spain (republican + nationalist)

Israel
Egypt
Syria

and is there any chance of historically correct markings for Germany and Finland ? I'm no nazi lover, but this is how it was. Finland still has haken in official Finnish Air Force flag...

2- Fix US marking (no numbers but letter code) for ETO ? And british markings too - early british rounels are missing the outside yellow collor and tail bars.

3- Add Ta-152 big tail to Fw-190D-9 Late - just cosmetic

4- Change K-14 gyrogunsight from simple "Sight Distance: Increased / Decreased" to "Sight Distance: 150m (200m...250m...300m...). Guess this won't be easy one...

5- Add gyrogunsight to late Spitfires (historically correct)

6- Add Askania EZ-42 gyrogunsight to german 1946 planes - "what if" like these planes...

7- Replace Revi 16B in Bf-109G-6 for Revi C12D (historically correct).

8- Can you use early british gunsight from Spitfire Mk.I mod and add it to ingame Hurricanes Mk.I ? (historically correct).

9- I understand why you will not make early war Spitfires or Bf-109s, but is there any chance for cockpit for Blenheim ? Already in game and badly needed for finns...

10- Thank you for cockpits for CW-21 and HS-129. But there are more. What about Me-210, M.S.406, M.S.410, H-75A-3, -4, Bf-110C, Tu-2S ...

11- What do you think about including some "good" mods ?
Bomb Bay Doors mod - a must for bombers
Carrier Catapult mod - a must for carriers
Animated Oil Blootch mod
HollyGrail & Potenz Effects mod - best effect I've seen
and the mod which started all this - SoundMod or better sounds (Tiger_33, Jafa...)

12- My friend creates missions for our on-line flying, he likes to know if there will be possibility to limit or disable certain load-out options for planes, i.e. Bf-110G-2 - Mk108 cannons were used from 1943. So, if he puts this plane on map from 1942, he'd like to disable this load-out option.

13- I know, that you want to make new things rather than fixing old bugs. Well, I perefer the fixes, but it's your decision. So, here are some planes to think about =>

late Spitfires - Mk.XIV, Mk.XVI, Mk.21 - I know, you prefer early war planes, but these played a big role in WWII, don't forget that

Hurricane Mk.IId and IV, Typhoon - we have Il-2, now Hs-129, so why not british equivalent ? These are not BoB era planes...

Hs-123 - early war bird for ground attacks

Tempest Mk.II - for "1946 what if" things

Avia S-199 - OK, I'm czech, do I have to say more... It's just Bf-109G-14 with some changes

M.B.150, 151, 152 - I know that you're working on D.520, but more french planes are needed. (Not to mention, D.520 was flown by bulgarians too => bulgarian marking, please...)

A-26 Invader - it's Douglas, not Grumman...

Bf-110G-4 you're working on - well, nice bird, but with no map or targets. What about Beaufighters as night fighters. No map for them too, but we have targets - He-111, Ju-88, new Do-217. Or Beau Mk.X ?

Ki-44 - a missed plane for Burma theatre

Ki-45, G3M and P1Y - some japanese twin engined planes, just now we have only Betty

Gloster Meteor - it saw some action in WWII, there is no british jet now...

14- Do not forget one thing - IF YOU CHANGE SOMETHING, IT WILL AFFECT OTHER THING - i.e. new italian bomb skins. Nice on S.M.79 or Re-2000, but you forgot to add them to M.C.200 series 7FB - it still uses "old" bomb skins

15- There are well skilled people around, who fix external models - JapanCat, Anto - why not let them to make "facelifts" for you ? They have done beautiful Bf-109's, Hurricanes, Me-262's...

16- Flakiten - he made outstanding Hawker Sea Fury. Will we ever see this plane in game ? We have german UFO's so why not "1946 what if" for british pilots. Yes, new cockpit would be handy, but...

17- UF_Josse's P-51 Mustang. This man should be hired.

18- Uf_Josse again - I.A.R.'s weapons should be changed. Browning MG's cal. 13.2mm...

And there are more things. I have just pointed to some. So, what do you say..?
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So, what do you say..?
Well, I guess, it was pretty obvious from the e-mail reply, you got: no comments.
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Old 06-19-2010, 04:33 PM
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Hi dfrog. I hope you don't mind me cherry-picking some issues.

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Brazil (allied) - seen some action in Italy
Bulgaria (axis at least)
China (nationalist + communist)
Croatia (axis)
Czechoslovakia (guess where I'm from)
Korea (North + South)
Mexico (allied) - seen some action in Pacific
Russian Liberation Army (axis) - wonder what Oleg will say, this isn't beloved part of their history
Spain (republican + nationalist)

Israel
Egypt
Syria
I have been thinking about adding a few more relevant nations, anyway, but so far other projects have taken over my time.

Brazil - if someone sends me the necessary data I'll put it on my list (one squadron flying P-47 IIRC)
Bulgaria - What for? The country's armed forces did not take part in the war against the USSR and we have no maps depicting their home defense.
China (nationalist + communist) - Nationalist China is not possible as it would lead to Il-2 being confiscated in China. This is a very real problem and since Daidalos has an official agreement with Maddox Games we're also subject to the same limitations.
Croatia (axis) - Same as Bulgaria. What for? There were two squadrons flying under german control (15.(kroat)/JG 52 and 15.(kroat)/KG 2) which could be added but lacking a map and looking at the native croatian effort it's hardly a relevant nation to be added.
Czechoslovakia (guess where I'm from) - TD concentrates on the 1941-45 timeframe (Martin said so). During this time there was no Czechoslovakia. 4.10 will contain the czech squadrons of the RAF since that was the most relevant effort of exile-Czechs, though.
Korea (North + South) - TD will not produce any content of the Korea War so neither nation will be added.
Mexico (allied) - seen some action in Pacific - See my notes WRT Brazil.
Russian Liberation Army (axis) - Historically irrelevant plus it's a touchy subject in Russia (like you said). No need to add them.
Spain (republican + nationalist) - ATM it makes no sense to add them. We have no maps and apart from I-16 Types 5 and 6 no aircraft. The spanish volunteer squadrons under Luftwaffe control would be more sensible. Is there demand for them?
Israel
Egypt
Syria
- All outside of TD's timeframe and scope. No need to add them.

Additionally an Allied Romania (post August 1944) and South Africa would make sense to be added as new nations.

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and is there any chance of historically correct markings for Germany and Finland ? I'm no nazi lover, but this is how it was. Finland still has haken in official Finnish Air Force flag...
No, for the very simple reason that there is one international version and we cannot switch between historically correct and politically correct emblems. Even if such a switch existed it would create legal issues in Germany where the use of any swastika in games is banned. Additionally the russian parliament passed a law which may cause issues with swastikas in games as well, but that is not yet clear. Believe me - I asked if we could install such a switch, but we were asked not to do so and be cautious.

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2- Fix US marking (no numbers but letter code) for ETO ? And british markings too - early british rounels are missing the outside yellow collor and tail bars.
I plan to update/correct the insignia, but there's a condition which hasn't been met, yet. Can't tell which one, though.

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3- Add Ta-152 big tail to Fw-190D-9 Late - just cosmetic
What for? The major difference between early and late D-9 is the fuel and the use (or non-use) of MW-50. No need to add the Ta-152 tail which was a very very rare combination, anyway.


There are some additional comments I could make to the rest of your post but I am not entirely sure if that would be okay. I'll leave it to Martin to make a more in-depth reply.
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