Congratulations Jaguar!!!

[Jatta Raso]

you guys beat me at carcrap bs; today i own a 1993 Citroen BX 1600, hydraulic suspension, much like this one



actually i don't have a photo at hand, mine has better rims, upgraded bumper (black btw), red mirrors, a total classic, i cal it the 'Hurricane'.

besides, nothing beats the matchbox trickshifter had about 12 years old. grow up!

[ATAG_Bliss]

This post is left blank in anticipation of the 20 paragraph quote train from stern back peddling out of a challenge.

Popcorn ready.

Edit: he's been at this for a couple hours now. I'm thinking it might be closer to 40 paragraphs.

[ElAurens]

All my track experience is at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course...



13 or 14 Porsche Club schools, done in a Jetta (one time), Honda CRX SI (10 or 11 times) and one in an early Mazda RX-7 with a supercharger we installed that would push my instructor's Corvette down the back straight.

Did one race in a the same Mazda, de-tuned to SCCA Improved Touring spec, entered in a vintage event.

Here I am at Mid Ohio in 1988 in my CRX...



And here is the shop I work in at the museum. The Jeep and the TR-3 belong to my employer, the others are customer cars.



And here I am in a '47 MG TC equipped with a Judson supercharger that I got running again after it sat idle for 20 years. Fun old crock, and the car isn't bad either...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

I never said otherwise. Your comprehension level has dropped significantly below raaaid's.

dude, you do exactly the same thing you're accusing me of...

Regardless, I can't be bothered to check, but, I would not be surprised if the definition of an utter clown included some mention of taking a specific point in time, such as when a garage is not 100% clean, and generalizing that point in time to eternity. As has been so clearly stated before, some people actually WORK on cars which, by definition, will get things a bit dirty.

Yes, I do. Do you seriously believe Ford, GM, Toyota, etc. don't have an equal amount of engineering in their racing programs?

They don't, or better, they do a different kind of engineering R&D, which then gets applied to production cars. Don't forget that Ferrari is part of the FIAT group.

Do you know how to be any more vague in your ridiculously pathetic statements? I mean, SERIOUSLY, you haven't responded specifically to anything I have posted. Just meaningless generalizations with absolutely zero topical content.

Your inability to comprehend my posts exceeds raaaid's. I'll say it slower...

I never said anything about a lack of engineering effort on Ferrari's part. I merely stated that your belief that Ferrari's production cars are, "engineering marvels", is ridiculous. They are practically hand built for Pete's sake. It's easy to produce a hot car when you take that approach.

An engineering marvel is something that kicks a$$ AND lasts.

you keep on accusing me of what you do man. I told you before..

Have you had a look on how the latest generation Ferrari are designed? Or the new 4wd system introduced with the Ferrari FF? Come on man, Ferrari's engineering solutions have been envied and copied by so many others for decades!

Case in point. You have said NOTHING in the above statement. Additionally, the original was the GT40, not the GT.

you're nitpicking, and they're turning the new GT into a stupid muscle car only good on a straight line (actually it can't even go on a straight line..).

Why won't you answer my question with real substance and/or detail?

Furthermore, I never stated that the Ford GT (or any other car for that matter) would not have problems so your repeated mention of Clarkson is just drivel.

I love your double standard of Ferraris are great despite their WELL KNOWN horrible reliability and absolutely stupid maintenance requirements but ONE guy's story of the troubles he had with a Ford GT and therefore the Ford GT is a piece of junk compared to a Ferrari.

you're generalising just like you're accusing me of doing, yet....

You never asked me to explain.

It's pretty simple though. If you could read at a sufficient level you would have noticed where I previously stated how good the older models look. Combined with their investment value and the model I'm interested in, it's not a hard decision.

--Outlaw.

So you're happy to put up with an (alleged) bitch of a car for looks and as an investment? Interesting..

[ATAG_Bliss]

Back in 2006 the Ford GT beat out many super cars including many models of Ferrari at Nuremburg. It also keeps breaking world records for speed. It can go in a straight line or around a corner quite well. I believe it was somewhere around the 10th fastest car around the Top Gear track as well, beating out many competitors cars, some priced well over 100k more than the GT. Saying it isn't a good car for the money only once again shows your pure stupidity.

List of Ferrari's it beat on the Top Gear Test track. Mind you the GT time was ran in the water.

Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet 1:22.20 124 '09 500 / 1670 The Stig
Ferrari 360 CS 1:22.30 123 '03 425 / 1280 The Stig
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 1:22.30 123 '03 381 / 1360 The Stig.
Audi R8 V10 Spyder 1:22.30 123 '10 525 / 1720 The Stig
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:22.40 123 '05 513 / 1437 The Stig
Noble M15 1:22.50 123 '06 455 / 1250 The Stig
Lexus LF-A 1:22.80 w 123 '10 560 / 1609 The Stig Ferrari F430 1:22.90 122 '05 489 / 1450 The Stig
Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series 1:23.00 122 '09 670 / 1870 The Stig. KTM X-Bow 1:23.10 122 '08 241 / 871 The Stig
Porsche 911 GT3 1:23.10 122 '09 435 / 1376 The Stig
Maserati GranTurismo MC Stradale 1:23.10 122 '11 450 / 1855 Stig
Ferrari F430 Spyder

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Just a little hint. There's race tracks in the US as well. Considering the caliber of people I'm talking to here with regards to cars, a simple go kart track is all that would be needed to embarrass you with.

...you're still talking?? I'm still waiting on those dyno results Charlie! Show us you're not all talk...

Do you really expect someone to take you seriously? Betting $100k over such a petty thing?? Who's the delusional saddo here?

On one thing you're right, Im an idiot, but only cos I even bothered getting dragged into your sad little world of delusion..

[ATAG_Bliss]

There's that white flag.

And there's nothing petty about it. I see an easy way to make money from a complete imbecile. I was hoping as us Americans say "you'd put your money where your mouth is" but I knew well ahead before hand that you would back out for reasons I already mentioned earlier. As I already stated it's real easy to call out someone else's BS. Unlike your delusions. Yes you, I'm prepared and can back up anything I say. I'm not a BS'er. Hopefully one day you'll learn there's plenty of people out there that can and will put people full of shit back in their place. I have no qualms in doing so. Thanks.

Edit: and why would I need to post up Dyno numbers? If you knew the 1st thing about any sort of performance engine you'd be able to look at that engine bay, the parts there, and get a really get estimate of the HP it makes. Again, I congratulate you on showing me once again that you know nothing about cars.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

There's that white flag.

And there's nothing petty about it. I see an easy way to make money from a complete imbecile. I was hoping as us Americans say "you'd put your money where your mouth is" but I knew well ahead before hand that you would back out for reasons I already mentioned earlier. As I already stated it's real easy to call out someone else's BS. Unlike your delusions. Yes you, I'm prepared and can back up anything I say. I'm not a BS'er. Hopefully one day you'll learn there's plenty of people out there that can and will put people full of shit back in their place. I have no qualms in doing so. Thanks.

erm, sure Charlie, you're WINNING again, in your mind :roll eyes:

Do you really expect any sane individual to take you seriously for half a second?? Im not the only one here to think you're just a messy toolshed hobbyist and a bit of a liar.. As long as you don't back up your talk with evidence, the only BSer here is YOU. Now do hurry and fabricate those dyno tests!
I'm surprised that a pro like you didn't even film his Mustang on the dyno bench...

[Sternjaeger II]

As per the Nurburgring, you guys know what the fares are now?

[ATAG_Bliss]

I've seen some stupid people in my life, but you are clearly the king. Nice job.