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[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by robtek

Just don't let real life interfere with your theories.

The fighters might have planned for BnZ, but then again: no plan survives the contact with the enemy.

+1. The first casuality in war is the battle plan.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Only few idiots would fly BF109 like that...it was a stalker (BnZ) and was used as stalker through the war....mostly....

Those were real Bf-109 fighter pilots, not internet comandos. They flew real planes, in a real war. In war they fly how they have to in order to achieve the mission goal.
If they had to chase an I-16, on the deck, they did just that. Not all made it out of it and not all could afford to fly how they wanted.
It was a real war not a game.

[csThor]

Quite seriously: I am considering soviet war stories to be usually grossly blown out of proportion on behalf of the soviet authorities (Stalin ordered "improved" historiography after the war). Far too often this or that soviet pilot was injured/got his aircraft set on fire/whatever and still outfought so-and-so-many german fighters. I have read too many stories like this, most of them following exactly the same script without many or any deviations, so I simply discard them all as potentially or even most probably made up.

Sorry and hats off to the veterans. No slant against them, they're as much the victims of state propaganda as the general audience.

[xpzorg]

Do you maybe want talk about anti-soviet propaganda conducted by western governments?

[engadin]

Originally Posted by csThor

Quite seriously: I am considering soviet war stories to be usually grossly blown out of proportion on behalf of the soviet authorities (Stalin ordered "improved" historiography after the war). Far too often this or that soviet pilot was injured/got his aircraft set on fire/whatever and still outfought so-and-so-many german fighters. I have read too many stories like this, most of them following exactly the same script without many or any deviations, so I simply discard them all as potentially or even most probably made up.

Sorry and hats off to the veterans. No slant against them, they're as much the victims of state propaganda as the general audience.

+1 here. When propaganda gets so spread, it's really hard to tell it from reality. You know, truth, as Jaws 2002's battle plan, is the first casualty of war too, and prop has everything to do with it.

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

Those were real Bf-109 fighter pilots, not internet comandos. They flew real planes, in a real war. In war they fly how they have to in order to achieve the mission goal.
If they had to chase an I-16, on the deck, they did just that. Not all made it out of it and not all could afford to fly how they wanted.
It was a real war not a game.

Sure. Their task was to protect bombers and to fly patrols. In russian campaign, in earlier stages of the war sometimes they took the plunge and chased planes on the deck....but that was more exception than a rule...Jabos are different story Im not talking about them....

And dont tell me about real war please....I experienced it recently....

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Sure. Their task was to protect bombers and to fly patrols. In russian campaign, in earlier stages of the war sometimes they took the plunge and chased planes on the deck....but that was more exception than a rule...Jabos are different story Im not talking about them....

And dont tell me about real war please....I experienced it recently....

Their first priority, beside surviving, was to shoot down enemy fighters whenever they had the chance and no countering orders.

The war in the air has changed quite a bit since then!

[MB_Avro_UK]

Hi all,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIkSb...eature=related

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

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[JG52Krupi]

Nice, thanks for sharing