Post made by Jason at Sim HQ

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Well, i'll just admit that's me somewhat venting off a bit of steam in a mild manner there, i had just gone reading through and moderating a bunch of threads before seeing this one.

On the other hand, being a moderator doesn't exclude someone from being a regular poster too and expressing personal opinion, that's why colored text is used when moderating to distinguish between the two, when i'm just typing like this i'm simply taking part in the discussion like everyone else. I truly didn't expect that kind of post from the OP.

In any case don't worry, it's my "once per month/every few weeks" venting mechanism

Other than that i don't really care for the score keeping, it just happened to bring forth a bit of interesting information from another source.

Fair enough

Im hoping the next patch will sort out COD and bring it up to a release condition sim. then its a clean slate from me.

[Havoc04]

WHO CARES!!!!! Jesus. Conspiracy theory's, Facts, so bloody well WHAT! Why do people have to go digging this crap up? Haven't you got better things to do?

Go spend time with the missus, go for a walk etc? And by posting this crap, what do you think it is going to do? Bring the patch quicker? Or better yet A HUGE APOLOGY TO THE COMMUNITY? Like that will happen LMFAO! Head outta the ass i say. And move along.

For once I'd love to come to these forums with out all this sludge crap posts.

[Mysticpuma]

Hi chaps, not sure what the problem was there Havoc, if anything Tree looks like he is happy to have found truth behind his critisim from someone on the 'inside' track?

Anyway, if what Jason says is correct I think Luthier really does need some room to work on bringing the Sim through the Flak it has taken.

Although I don't want to see any paid for content until the Simulation they released is at-least near perfect (what everyone initially pad for), if Luthier does take a lesson from Jason and his community interaction it would be a major step forward in calming much criticism.

I think there is a chance of a little sympathy for him when you see what he has had to do (fixing 6-years of mis-direction in 1-year), but seriously, I am as frustrated about the realease as many others, but for now I'll wait and see what happens with the next patch and see if it looks like the direction of patching under Luthier's captaincy appears to be heading in the right direction? Let's face it...it really can't get much worse!


Cheers, MP

[sorak]

Originally Posted by Havoc04

WHO CARES!!!!! Jesus. Conspiracy theory's, Facts, so bloody well WHAT! Why do people have to go digging this crap up? Haven't you got better things to do?

Go spend time with the missus, go for a walk etc? And by posting this crap, what do you think it is going to do? Bring the patch quicker? Or better yet A HUGE APOLOGY TO THE COMMUNITY? Like that will happen LMFAO! Head outta the ass i say. And move along.

For once I'd love to come to these forums with out all this sludge crap posts.

you know you dont have to read the forum post if you dont want to.... which only means you really want to read all this 'sludge crap posts' deep inside... which makes it even stranger for you complaining about it. I think it funny some people like to bring up the old "go spend time with the missus".. Are you trying to make your self look cool or something?

puff puff.. wierd stuff

[kendo65]

Blackdog - I'll grant that you are right to a degree in describing the conclusions I reached before release as 'wishful thinking. My only response would be that it was still possible to do that because the situation was confused. If the devs had spelt it out instead of various (sometimes conflicting) voices in the community I would have come to a different conclusion.

My only real reason for commenting on all this was that I (and obviously others) felt that the OP and yourself were rewriting history to some degree. We'll have to agree to disagree I think.

My point in going over this was not to complain about the state of the game at release. It was just to disagree with the idea voiced that it was all perfectly clear at the time.

I agree with your views about the complex future-proofed features and the continual improvement and development of the sim and I'm looking forward to the upcoming patch.

Time to move on.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by sorak

you know you dont have to read the forum post if you dont want to.... which only means you really want to read all this 'sludge crap posts' deep inside... which makes it even stranger for you complaining about it. I think it funny some people like to bring up the old "go spend time with the missus".. Are you trying to make your self look cool or something?

puff puff.. wierd stuff

He's 100% right though I think.

There is no filter for the forums. So you HAVE to at least check out some posts in random threads and you also need to scan through all the topics.

But then again, the people on the forums are usually (big apologies to the great exceptions) a very particular kind of people, to say it nicely. I guess it cannot be helped and usually is the same with any forum.

There are great people who just play and try to make the best out of it, not even showing up on the forums.
There are those who try to contribute positively to make things better.
And then there is the big zerg of... let's not get into it. Whiners and haters usually are addicted to to boards and voicing their "holy" opinions that usually don't matter, don't change a thing but at least they said something right?

[Meusli]

Bit more info regarding this on Rock Paper Shotgun, not much but another piece of the jigsaw. Scroll down to near the bottom of the article.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...ly-overloaded/

[Ze-Jamz]

Well I've got sound and no stutters and I think Il2 looks like a POS so il be there..

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

For those that were/are still under the belief that CLOD was financed by Ubisoft then read this below, especially Chivas who as been on my case about this for a long time.


Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason

I'm sorry, but I need to say something because your comments are not correct.

1.) Luthier is a long-time friend of mine and you are smearing him with no proof or knowledge of what really happened that caused the less than stellar release of CLOD. Oleg didn't hand Luthier anything. Luthier was asked by 1C to try to finish the project after Oleg was, depending who you talk to, relieved of duty by 1C or he quit 1C. You make the call. Luthier is making the best of a bad situation and he is a good guy and from what I can tell a good manager. My point is you can't blame him for the release or bad decisions that were forced upon him by others. He was given 12 months to correct 6 years of bad decisions made by others. A good analogy is blaming me for every decision made regarding ROF before my company took over. Coming from someone who had to take over a not so great situation I know what he is going through.

2.) Again, you see to blame Ubi for all this. Why don't you ask 1C if $8 million and 7 years was enough time and money for a team to eventually be held accountable for there work and produce a product? Ubi is not quite the monster they are being portrayed as. Again, see my comments about Oleg's departure. Only Duke Nukem' can have a never ending dev cycle and hell even that got released eventually. Bringing Oleg back isn't going to solve anything. 1C loves when you blame Ubi. 1C was the day to day manager and owners of IL-2 franchise, not to the mention the primary funding source so why aren't they held accountable? Some of you hold Oleg and 1C up like some sort of gods and people who can do no wrong which is foolish.

I'm not going to say anymore, but what you've said about Luthier isn't fair to him. There is no need to be an Oleg or 1C apologist.

Jason

Anyone that was surprised by the information that Jason shared really have to learn to read between the lines Of course it was 1C that pushed the game on the market after getting tired of financing the project for years...

/mazex

[GF_Mastiff]

Well maybe when 777 studio puts out their WWII fighter sim, then we will see.
I give up on 1C and getting this IL2 sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover version off the ground. Maybe if in 18 months, it might look and be as good as Rise Of Flight.

until then see y'all next year around Christmas time is what I'm going to estimate.

So I'm sticking to IL2 1946 Forgotten battles, and the new mods improvements.