Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by albx

this is why the softwares are open source!! i can do what i want with it, also include a button that make me a coffe or scratch my back!!
To be more serious, i don't think you are stupid W-R, but you should understand that FT is a valide alternative at a more expensive TrackIR. Who, like me, like to build his own device, and is satisfied when something he did works very good, then you should use FT, different is who don't have time or don't like to build 3 simple leds then should buy TrackIR. BUT!!! do you think is right that a software should use ONLY 1 head tracking device, considering also that there are others and LEGAL? don't you think it is forcing people to buy Trackir? What if one day a car maker decide that you should use only 1 kind of gas for your car, or only 1 kind of tires? do you still feel free?
I hope I have been clear at what i said, english is not my native language, sorry...

There's no problem with open source albx, the more the better. No doubt FT is a valid alternative, though whilst it piggybacks/ sponges off/ hacks Naturalpoint, it is just that... and just because some people think they own the software when they buy it, or everything should be open source they have to keep in mind that isn't the case. Have you thought for a moment that some who may like to protect their work would respect the rights of others who also like to protect their work?

car makers again? (I didn't realise we were discussing cars :s )

governments (ultimately) determine what fuel is, or isn't used albx


do you actually know what "freedom" is albx?

[albx]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

There's no problem with open source albx, the more the better. No doubt FT is a valid alternative, though whilst it piggybacks/ sponges off/ hacks Naturalpoint, it is just that... and just because some people think they own the software when they buy it, or everything should be open source they have to keep in mind that isn't the case. Have you thought for a moment that some who may like to protect their work would respect the rights of others who also like to protect their work?

car makers again? (I didn't realise we were discussing cars :s )

governments (ultimately) determine what fuel is, or isn't used albx


do you actually know what "freedom" is albx?

yes i know what freedom is, i'm a software developer and i know what means protect my work. What NP is doing, IMHO, is that they don't only want protect their work, they have all the rights to do it, but they also want, paying the developers of a game (and this make me upset), that nobody else can use a tracking device with it. Do you think is right? W_R, you have your own idea and nobody can make you change it, so i'm not trying to convince you... that's all, now if Oleg & C. wants add FT and any other tracking device, not only NP, well done, otherwise I'll only complain about it, and I will ask, like all the others FT users, to include a support for it in a next patch, so we also can enjoy it. I'm not going to buy trackir... that's all

Alberto

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by albx

yes i know what freedom is, i'm a software developer and i know what means protect my work. What NP is doing, IMHO, is that they don't only want protect their work, they have all the rights to do it, but they also want, paying the developers of a game (and this make me upset), that nobody else can use a tracking device with it. Do you think is right? W_R, you have your own idea and nobody can make you change it, so i'm not trying to convince you... that's all, now if Oleg & C. wants add FT and any other tracking device, not only NP, well done, otherwise I'll only complain about it, and I will ask, like all the others FT users, to include a support for it in a next patch, so we also can enjoy it. I'm not going to buy trackir... that's all

Alberto

'Round and 'round and 'round it goes... does anyone read a thread through? god only knows.



If you want inclusion, it would be well worth (you possibly with programming your skills?) to offer up a properly working and fully supported alternative that respects the rights (and wishes) of other developers to protect their product, and present it in a professional manner. Its not that hard is it??

Whilst outrageous claims against and the bashing of companies continues, why should anyone take you (collective) or your product seriously?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

'Round and 'round and 'round it goes... does anyone read a thread through? god only knows.



If you want inclusion, it would be well worth (you possibly with programming your skills?) to offer up a properly working and fully supported alternative that respects the rights (and wishes) of other developers to protect their product, and present it in a professional manner. Its not that hard is it??

Whilst outrageous claims against and the bashing of companies continues, why should anyone take you (collective) or your product seriously?

A lot of crap.

I posted in this forum the way to any use FreeTrackClient.dll to get data from Freetrack Interface and use it right now in any aplication with 6DOF HT in mind.

And this guy keep talking about some "professional manner"... Go to hell.

The "professional manner" maybe is the NP manner: devs can't even TALK about their "contracts" with NP.

Pathetic.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

A lot of crap.

I posted in this forum the way to any use FreeTrackClient.dll to get data from Freetrack Interface and use it right now in any aplication with 6DOF HT in mind.

And this guy keep talking about some "professional manner"... Go to hell.

The "professional manner" maybe is the NP manner: devs can't even TALK about their "contracts" with NP.

Pathetic.

and you wonder why there are problems with inclusion

[albx]

LoBiSoMeM you are feeding a troll, so I did also... my fault...

[Wolf_Rider]

I'm certain then, you don't know what freedom is albx

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by albx

LoBiSoMeM you are feeding a troll, so I did also... my fault...

This troll need a lot of food, because he's so weak and skinny...

But I believe he's not a troll, maybe some kind of internet robot, because keep typing the same things over and over again...

[robtek]

Lobi and albx,

you must be feeling really vulnerable to start calling names again.
But it would be so easy, if FT wasn't able to use any NP - software, be it a cracked or genuine dll, this whole discussion would have been cut short.
But FT is able to use those dll's, and some users use this shortcut even with the available and usable freetrack.dll.
So, if you would just accept that there are users who use freetrack to infringe on NP software even if its not needed, there might be a understanding.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by robtek

Lobi and albx,

you must be feeling really vulnerable to start calling names again.
But it would be so easy, if FT wasn't able to use any NP - software, be it a cracked or genuine dll, this whole discussion would have been cut short.
But FT is able to use those dll's, and some users use this shortcut even with the available and usable freetrack.dll.
So, if you would just accept that there are users who use freetrack to infringe on NP software even if its not needed, there might be a understanding.

NONONONONONONO!

I'm amazed how people don't understand how things work!

Freetrack uses the "NP route" because the GAMES USES THAT ROUTE, NOT FREETRACK ROUTE!

Man, think a minute... We Freetrack users don't want to "hack" the "nothing" of NP. Freetrack neither. But the majority of game devs just provide access to NP inteface ONLY!

Isn't hard to understand that! If games uses FreeTrackClient.dll to use Freetrack inteface, nobody will using Freetrack will use the "NP route". I never will use "NP route" in a geme with suport to Freetrack Interface. Freetrack Interface odes exactly the same thing, by God sake!

If Freetrack don't have NOW the "NP route", I'm now will be flying IL-2 without head tracking! Isn't a "shortcut" for me, it's THE ONLY WAY!!!

If Oleg uses Freetrack Interface, I'll tick Freetrack Interface in Freetrack!

Freetrack ellimination of the "NP route" is easy, NP can achieve it now! You know how?

- Allowing game devs to use either HT solutions and interfaces!

But you believe that NP want's that?!?!?!?!?!?!

Let's begin to think just a little?!?!??!