Friday 2010-11-12 Dev. update and Discussion

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Not as a statement, you're right it's pointless, but if posed as a question and justified by pictures/videos/etc then why not? If it's directed at Oleg it's for him to answer; people don't need to act as his own advisors and try and answer the question for him, unless they can prove the post wrong with anyting Oleg has said or posted before
As long as everyone is calm and rational, and not rude and insulting, then things can run smoother. But yes, such posts can be rude if phrased that way. There are ways of saying things where one can be a lot more polite.

Look phil, it's not about the question itself - it's about the way many of them are are formulated, and that is often very offensive.
For all I care you can ask oleg if his trees are green - ok, go.

A (imho) no go is: Oleg your trees not only suck, but also I've seen waaaay more realistic models in Mario Bros for the c64 in '92.

Language barrier is not argument, you really dont need an advanced to formulate a question politely.

[philip.ed]

I agree with you there; the comment isn't really supported by any tangible evidence, and it's plain rude
If someone posts something like that, I think the best solution is to post nicely, rather than flame them, 'cos you're just dropping to their level.
I may have posted saying things like 'the smoke looks awful', but really I hope to never do so again. Or if I feel that way, say: 'Oleg, look here______the smoke looks a lot different than what we've seen in SoW. Will this type of smoke be modelled, or are you still finetuning the process? Of course this aspect of the sim will be hard to get accurate, as there is little evidence to use for this which shows the smoke accurately, but it would be interesting to have an insight into how you model damage effects like this.'
Whilst some may say that asking Oleg for such an insight is rude and too expectant, I feel if you're polite than all Oleg needs to say is 'no, sorry' or completely disregard the post altogether if he wishes


Sorry to have gone AWOL (again)

[swiss]

If I remember correctly, you posted something like " drawn by a child in watercolors", however, recently I can assure you you were not responsible for any raise of my blood pressure.



But a post in pilot body/face thread made my jaw hit the space bar on my keyboard...

(...and hitting the space bar with my jaw causes an instant meltdown, at least to me)

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by swiss

If I remember correctly, you posted something like " drawn by a child in watercolors", however, recently I can assure you you were not responsible for any raise of my blood pressure.



But a post in pilot body/face thread made my jaw hit the space bar on my keyboard...

(...and hitting the space bar with my jaw causes an instant meltdown, at least to me)

That was Tree

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

That was Tree

Ok, that's guy I have to share a "zappatista's shorts" dinner if they release SOW before/at X-mas.

Sorry then, lol.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

A little tip for those who are not sure if their question has been answered or not, or just want to see all that has been said, simply click on Olegs name at the top left of one of his posts and a menu will appear. Choose "Find All Posts by Oleg Maddox" and VIOLA! there is everything the man himself has said, and while this may still be a lot to go through, at least it's in one spot and no other crap to wade through. I also do the same for Luthier in case he's added something to the picture recently.

[Freycinet]

Yes, an example of an insufferable, arrogant and impolite posting by philip.ed would be this one:

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Oleg, I too, flew over England this year and Furbs' shot is an accurate representation of the colours of the English landscape. I am not trying to be rude, but have you flown over England? I think, perhaps, we may be able to judge the best. Obviously as you say a camera won't give a 100% accurate representation, but from experience I think those of us who live in the country can give a good idea of how it looked.
The colours currently shown for SoW suggest a spring-look, where the fields are quite a lush green. In the summer of 1940, it was one of the hottest summers' on record, and the fields would have had a burnished look.
I do understand your theories of colour though; it will differen between each PC, but this is just my observation

Winny, there weren't rape-fields in England in 1940. I know you weren't saying there are, but I'm just pointing it out. It's interesting to compare a modern-day picture with one from 1940.

To which Oleg could of course answer that he has flown over England more than twenty times and has taken many photos there himself.

Also, Oleg is continuously showing an immense depth of knowledge about colour theory, which makes it all the more galling to have teenagers telling him... "not to be rude, but have you flown over England?" and flaunting their total lack of tact and understanding of the issues. Also, more importantly, a lack of understanding of what WIP and "development shots" mean.

People like philip.ed and Hecke and Tree should really understand their own limitations a bit more, and not think they can EDUCATE Oleg on the many issues involved in creating a world class flight sim.

Of course Oleg replies more to the annoying trolling than to polite well thought-out postings. The trolling follows the usual pattern of "your work is really quite crap, here is how you should do it". If it was me being told that, I too would reply to it before dealing with other postings.

It is just quite sad that impolite know-alls have totally taken over this forum and spam it just to pump up their +1000 post count...

[philip.ed]

That's one example, Freycinet, and I never said I was perfect:
quote from me above: I may have posted saying things like 'the smoke looks awful', but really I hope to never do so again.

Maybe you should read all my postings before you comment?

Also, this was a question to Oleg for him to reply. In general I was suggesting the vast difference in summer-time colours vs any other time of the year. Oleg has flown over the country a number of times which he said in answer. I just wanted to see where he was basing the colour from. Cynical of me, maybe, but it was nice to see just how extensive his research had gone.

I could similarly find posts from you where you are flagrantly rude to forum members which in every sense is just
pointless. But doing so won't achieve anything and neither is you posting this. It was for Oleg to answer, not you. He doesn't need you to hold his hand. I think it's clear he's said as such and I'm not alone in saying this.
You can't condemn a man for one post

Anyway, what's your issue? At the end of the day; Oleg told people like you to stop doing this; he has no issue with people asking questions.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Yes, an example of an insufferable, arrogant and impolite posting by philip.ed would be this one:



To which Oleg could of course answer that he has flown over England more than twenty times and has taken many photos there himself.

Also, Oleg is continuously showing an immense depth of knowledge about colour theory, which makes it all the more galling to have teenagers telling him... "not to be rude, but have you flown over England?" and flaunting their total lack of tact and understanding of the issues. Also, more importantly, a lack of understanding of what WIP and "development shots" mean.

People like philip.ed and Hecke and Tree should really understand their own limitations a bit more, and not think they can EDUCATE Oleg on the many issues involved in creating a world class flight sim.

Of course Oleg replies more to the annoying trolling than to polite well thought-out postings. The trolling follows the usual pattern of "your work is really quite crap, here is how you should do it". If it was me being told that, I too would reply to it before dealing with other postings.

It is just quite sad that impolite know-alls have totally taken over this forum and spam it just to pump up their +1000 post count...

Actually i disagree. Philip thinking he knows better might grind your gears, but his post is not rude. I too think he's way too pedantic sometimes over details that are trivial to me. Obviously, they are not trivial to him and vice versa, some of the items on my wishlist might be complete non-issues to him.
So, who decides which one of us is "rude" and should "shut up", as so many people feel inclined to tell others on this forum lately? Maybe they think that playing "knight protector of mr Maddox" will result in a signed copy of SoW arriving at their doorstep a little sooner, who knows?

You see, polite or rude has to to do with the delivery of the message first and foremost and this we can argue about.
The actual content of the message however is not manner which conforms to certain established norms of social interaction, but a personal thing for everyone that's free to be shaped in accordance to their own preferences and called an opinion.

You seem to have a problem accepting different ones. That's the whole issue really, at least in my personal, non-rudely presented opinion

[klem]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

A little tip for those who are not sure if their question has been answered or not, or just want to see all that has been said, simply click on Olegs name at the top left of one of his posts and a menu will appear. Choose "Find All Posts by Oleg Maddox" and VIOLA! there is everything the man himself has said, and while this may still be a lot to go through, at least it's in one spot and no other crap to wade through. I also do the same for Luthier in case he's added something to the picture recently.

Thank you Urufu. I didn't know that.
<waits to be flamed as a dweeb>

I'm digging through them now. 5 Pages down, 15 to go. Now that's reasonable!

He's in trouble though if he hasn't answered my questions