Post made by Jason at Sim HQ

[Havoc04]

WHO CARES!!!!! Jesus. Conspiracy theory's, Facts, so bloody well WHAT! Why do people have to go digging this crap up? Haven't you got better things to do?

Go spend time with the missus, go for a walk etc? And by posting this crap, what do you think it is going to do? Bring the patch quicker? Or better yet A HUGE APOLOGY TO THE COMMUNITY? Like that will happen LMFAO! Head outta the ass i say. And move along.

For once I'd love to come to these forums with out all this sludge crap posts.

[Mysticpuma]

Hi chaps, not sure what the problem was there Havoc, if anything Tree looks like he is happy to have found truth behind his critisim from someone on the 'inside' track?

Anyway, if what Jason says is correct I think Luthier really does need some room to work on bringing the Sim through the Flak it has taken.

Although I don't want to see any paid for content until the Simulation they released is at-least near perfect (what everyone initially pad for), if Luthier does take a lesson from Jason and his community interaction it would be a major step forward in calming much criticism.

I think there is a chance of a little sympathy for him when you see what he has had to do (fixing 6-years of mis-direction in 1-year), but seriously, I am as frustrated about the realease as many others, but for now I'll wait and see what happens with the next patch and see if it looks like the direction of patching under Luthier's captaincy appears to be heading in the right direction? Let's face it...it really can't get much worse!


Cheers, MP

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by furbs

That's a very strange post from a mod i must say.
Luthier took over a year before the release of CLOD and since then CLOD has still been a mess.
We may know more about it now but it doesn't change what's happened, the development decisions have still been questionable IMO and the release was handled very badly and pretty shambolic.
Since the release the communication has been terrible and the patches so far have been mere fluffing with the core of the sim is still unchanged and buggy as hell.
Music update anyone?

Plus this new info doesn't change what Tree was saying at all, in fact it proves quite alot of it was spot on. We were being fobbed off alot of the time, Oleg was still posting updates and showing his face at shows but its clear now it was just keep people believing he was still the man in charge.

The reason behide it may now be more open but it doesn't change anything.

Luthier is trying his best im sure, but im still not convinced.

Well, i'll just admit that's me somewhat venting off a bit of steam in a mild manner there, i had just gone reading through and moderating a bunch of threads before seeing this one.

On the other hand, being a moderator doesn't exclude someone from being a regular poster too and expressing personal opinion, that's why colored text is used when moderating to distinguish between the two, when i'm just typing like this i'm simply taking part in the discussion like everyone else. I truly didn't expect that kind of post from the OP.

In any case don't worry, it's my "once per month/every few weeks" venting mechanism

Other than that i don't really care for the score keeping, it just happened to bring forth a bit of interesting information from another source.

[albx]

Originally Posted by Redroach

what the...? Are you guys so easy to reassure?
To quote myself:

What you want we do? crucify him? We can't give Ilya all the problems CoD have, I hope he is doing his best to fix it, but, if we want accuse him for something then is the poor communication with his customers. Probably he found so many problems when he picked the project that had so small resources to fix it, they had to release CoD in this beta state to make cash or close it. What you prefered? a beta CoD or nothing at all? and right now I believe Jason is also helping him giving his best devs (see who is redoing the sounds). I'm not a patient guy, I really want a patch right now that fix not all but most of the problems, but I know it is not possible. Again, what is missing here is the communication, lack of info from them.

P.S.
I'm still a whiner, not a fanboy...

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Well, i'll just admit that's me somewhat venting off a bit of steam in a mild manner there, i had just gone reading through and moderating a bunch of threads before seeing this one.

On the other hand, being a moderator doesn't exclude someone from being a regular poster too and expressing personal opinion, that's why colored text is used when moderating to distinguish between the two, when i'm just typing like this i'm simply taking part in the discussion like everyone else. I truly didn't expect that kind of post from the OP.

In any case don't worry, it's my "once per month/every few weeks" venting mechanism

Other than that i don't really care for the score keeping, it just happened to bring forth a bit of interesting information from another source.

Fair enough

Im hoping the next patch will sort out COD and bring it up to a release condition sim. then its a clean slate from me.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Well it proves that ............ that I was right on target,.

even a dead clock is right twice each day, after your 1700 posts here deliberately sprouting negative crap for years the odds are you eventually would say something that per chance would have been partially right !! obviously that doesnt validate all the other nonsense you posted here for years, or did you think it magically would and you'r now lilly white ? its also somewhat disturbing to see you only perk up when something negative is being said, it seems to be the only thing you ever feed on and rejoice about

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

It also shows of the deception all were involved in to make us believe that Oleg was still captain of the ship, even down to telling us that Oleg's son was really ill so Oleg couldn't post.

no tree it doesnt, you'r again jumping to all kinds of conclusions and sprouting nonsense about facts you dont comprehend and new information you dont seem able to interpret.

jason's post has to be seen for what it is, he is somebody who (since recently) does have a commercial interest in the CoD project and he is in that context minimizing blame for luthier while dancing on oleg's grave and shifting all the blame to oleg (while oleg isnt present to defend himself, great sign of character there jason)

what is new (to me at least, and i have been out of the loop a bit while waiting for a decent fix/update to start using CoD), is the 8 million dollar CoD project funding figure over the 7 years. the rest of what jason says is entirely his spin on facts that are incomplete and open to interpretation.

for example, jason refers to luthier being handed the unfinished project 1 yr before release, which takes us to the point in mid 2009 when oleg was still posting here and him stating he had a fixed release date of "the anniversary of BoB" (which would have meant november 2010, and oleg 6 months before that date realizing it simply could not be done). the project then slipped pasted this nov/dec 2010 date and was then released early in 2011 (you must remember some of those dates, its when you kept weaseling out of puting your money where your mouth was ).

so when ubi (and/or 1c) put their foot down and said "no more delays, you have 1 yr and then its out the door", how did oleg react ? that is the real question. (its a minor issue whether oleg by then was still 5 days per week in the office managing it, or had taken on an additional part time positions with some other company as a consultant, since he by then was only macro managing the CoD project itself).

given olegs very good track record (in game creation and project management) he likely would have known that this forced early release date wasnt realistic, so did he tell them "either i do it right and i need more time", or if they tried to then force his hand "you do it without me" ? likely some years will go by before we find out, but that is much more likely then jason's recent spin story.

another piece of the puzzle we are missing is what exactly happened mid development that caused the lost 2 or 3 years which became the Achilles heel in this whole CoD project ? time wise this is the period we know oleg fired some people, or some left on their own (taking part of the code ?) and the RoF project was started. are all those facts linked, its all speculation at this stage, but those missing years caused the whole delay mess that landed us where we are now.

secondly, with luthier being oleg's trusted sidekick during il2 development (since pacific fighters or even earlier ?) and with the 2 being close friends, AND with luthier being called away from his own project (korea) to help finish CoD a couple of years ago....... with oleg suddenly leaving, luthier would have been about the only logical person the project could have been transferred to (inside their existing team). now the question that arises is, knowing the various good skills and contributions luthier has made to the il2 series, did/does luthier have the project management skills to pull of what oleg knew could not be done to oleg's exacting levels of quality ?

luthier took on an unthankful task to try and finish it, and tried to do so under very difficult circumstances no doubt, but, and how can i say this gently.... he didn not success, its a giant mess.

so nothing new has been provided in that simhq thread that lowers my opinion of Oleg, if anything it only lowers my opinion of jason with his obvious spinning to direct attention away from his own commercial interests (without giving solid facts that can be verified with the people that matter). And no that doesn’t make Jason the anti-christ either, it just means I take what he posts with a decent serve of salt and I see it for what it is

i do wish luthier well in trying to finish the project (he is our only hope, failing oleg coming back to pitch in), and whatever positive input that can be given him should be provided, but it doesnt remove our frustration (as customers and long term fans who had very high hopes for this project)

[Rattlehead]

What has happened has happened...no use in dwelling on the past. The future of Clod is the only thing I'm interested in.

Originally Posted by zapatista

even a dead clock is right twice each day, after your 1700 posts here deliberately sprouting negative crap for years the odds are you eventually would say something that per chance would have been partially right !! obviously that doesnt validate all the other nonsense you posted here for years, or did you think it magically would and you'r now lilly white ? its also somewhat disturbing to see you only perk up when something negative is being said, it seems to be the only thing you ever feed on and rejoice about



no tree it doesnt, you'r again jumping to all kinds of conclusions and sprouting nonsense about facts you dont comprehend and new information you dont seem able to interpret.

jason's post has to be seen for what it is, he is somebody who (since recently) does have a commercial interest in the CoD project and he is in that context minimizing blame for luthier while dancing on oleg's grave and shifting all the blame to oleg (while oleg isnt present to defend himself, great sign of character there jason)

what is new (to me at least, and i have been out of the loop a bit while waiting for a decent fix/update to start using CoD), is the 8 million dollar CoD project funding figure over the 7 years. the rest of what jason says is entirely his spin on facts that are incomplete and open to interpretation.

for example, jason refers to luthier being handed the unfinished project 1 yr before release, which takes us to the point in mid 2009 when oleg was still posting here and him stating he had a fixed release date of "the anniversary of BoB" (which would have meant november 2010, and oleg 6 months before that date realizing it simply could not be done). the project then slipped pasted this nov/dec 2010 date and was then released early in 2011 (you must remember some of those dates, its when you kept weaseling out of puting your money where your mouth was ).

so when ubi (and/or 1c) put their foot down and said "no more delays, you have 1 yr and then its out the door", how did oleg react ? that is the real question. (its a minor issue whether oleg by then was still 5 days per week in the office managing it, or had taken on an additional part time positions with some other company as a consultant, since he by then was only macro managing the CoD project itself).

given olegs very good track record (in game creation and project management) he likely would have known that this forced early release date wasnt realistic, so did he tell them "either i do it right and i need more time", or if they tried to then force his hand "you do it without me" ? likely some years will go by before we find out, but that is much more likely then jason's recent spin story.

another piece of the puzzle we are missing is what exactly happened mid development that caused the lost 2 or 3 years which became the Achilles heel in this whole CoD project ? time wise this is the period we know oleg fired some people, or some left on their own (taking part of the code ?) and the RoF project was started. are all those facts linked, its all speculation at this stage, but those missing years caused the whole delay mess that landed us where we are now.

secondly, with luthier being oleg's trusted sidekick during il2 development (since pacific fighters or even earlier ?) and with the 2 being close friends, AND with luthier being called away from his own project (korea) to help finish CoD a couple of years ago....... with oleg suddenly leaving, luthier would have been about the only logical person the project could have been transferred to (inside their existing team). now the question that arises is, knowing the various good skills and contributions luthier has made to the il2 series, did/does luthier have the project management skills to pull of what oleg knew could not be done to oleg's exacting levels of quality ?

luthier took on an unthankful task to try and finish it, and tried to do so under very difficult circumstances no doubt, but, and how can i say this gently.... he didn not success, its a giant mess.

so nothing new has been provided in that simhq thread that lowers my opinion of Oleg, if anything it only lowers my opinion of jason with his obvious spinning to direct attention away from his own commercial interests (without giving solid facts that can be verified with the people that matter). And no that doesn’t make Jason the anti-christ either, it just means I take what he posts with a decent serve of salt and I see it for what it is

i do wish luthier well in trying to finish the project (he is our only hope, failing oleg coming back to pitch in), and whatever positive input that can be given him should be provided, but it doesnt remove our frustration (as customers and long term fans who had very high hopes for this project)

Not had time to read all that Bollocks yet Zap, but have you actually purchased the game yet, and how did those shorts taste, you know the ones you were going to eat when you lost that bet with me??


have a nice day buddy.

[150GCT_Veltro]

We should quit with CoD and this forum till Christmas, and give him a chance to complete the game, or at least the beta.

Asking for a new patch every week doesn't help Luthier and this community. CoD need more than some patches.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by 150GCT_Veltro

We should quit with CoD and this forum till Christmas, and give him a chance to complete the game, or at least the beta.

Asking for a new patch every week doesn't help Luthier and this community. CoD need more than some patches.

Perhaps, but it would be nice to get a weekly paragraph about how things are going. Thats not too much to ask for pre-paid customers, I don't think. And yes I have shelved it until such time it is fixed to something that resembles a release candidate software.