IL2 and Sound Modding

[Billfish]

Ok, example time;

Though I disagree in principle as to hacking the sim, and have strong objections as to how the hacks are implimented exposing hidden content, also in that many of the hacks are quite simply cheats unbalancing online play..........A request of many was made for the ability to switch the reticle on and off, and remove the gunsight for racing tournaments.

Those two requests and any subsequent attempts to make such alterations "IF" delivered in a coded package making it difficult for "cheaters" to alter the sim further are though infringing on sim copyrights tolerable......In that they would not aid cheaters, nor unbalance online play....Simply adding features to the sim which do no harm.

If all of the hacks from day 1 had taken that course, and been presented in a responsible way...........I'd have zero issues AND would of never even taken a stand on this issue letting a group I respect, Maddox Games deal with their copyright infringement themselves if they so chose.

.........and no, it is NOT simply a matter of taste or preferance, as anything supplied to the masses will get used, and we all except the most unintelligent can tell what hacks will unbalance online play.

What stuns me most of all is where are the new objects, where are enhanced features in the sim itself (making currently locked items such as F6 server switchable, adding recon photos to briefings, adding the ability for briefing sounds to be downloaded, making the plane icon on minmap paths server switchable, etc.).....Where are all the things that really enhance the sim "expanding it"....While doing no harm in any form?.....Various attempts at mapping all I'm seeing in this regard.

K2

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Ok, example time;
Though I disagree in principle as to hacking the sim, and have strong objections as to how the hacks are implimented exposing hidden content, also in that many of the hacks are quite simply cheats unbalancing online play..........A request of many was made for the ability to switch the reticle on and off, and remove the gunsight for racing tournaments.

Those two requests and any subsequent attempts to make such alterations "IF" delivered in a coded package making it difficult for "cheaters" to alter the sim further are though infringing on sim copyrights tolerable......In that they would not aid cheaters, nor unbalance online play....Simply adding features to the sim which do no harm.

If all of the hacks from day 1 had taken that course, and been presented in a responsible way...........I'd have zero issues AND would of never even taken a stand on this issue letting a group I respect, Maddox Games deal with their copyright infringement themselves if they so chose.

.........and no, it is NOT simply a matter of taste or preferance, as anything supplied to the masses will get used, and we all except the most unintelligent can tell what hacks will unbalance online play.

What stuns me most of all is where are the new objects, where are enhanced features in the sim itself (making currently locked items such as F6 server switchable, adding recon photos to briefings, adding the ability for briefing sounds to be downloaded, making the plane icon on minmap paths server switchable, etc.).....Where are all the things that really enhance the sim "expanding it"....While doing no harm in any form?.....Various attempts at mapping all I'm seeing in this regard.
K2

I understand you totally.... and agree with you.... which is one reason why, as good as some of the things I have seen seem.. and some of them are good improvements.. and have nothing to do with unbalancing online play... , I have NOT DLd any of the mods yet. I want to see what 1C does.... I wish Oleg would offer up a little more input than the two one liners quoted above.... but since he hasn't I will just wait until he does...

[ElAurens]

I agree with you Bearcat, Some more insight from Oleg would help, but, let's look at two possible scenarios...

If he says (in so many words) it's cool, then fine. Mod on.

If he says no, it's not cool. Then what?

Sadly there is no easy way out of this.

Simply being cordial to each other won't fix things. Online will continue to suffer in the interim.

What to do?

The only reason I am so passionate about this is because I love the sim so much.

*SIGH*

[jermin]

More and more cheaters have shown up in online servers. Hope new anti-cheat system will be out soon. But please keep the modability of IL2. I'm sure it will make the game much more brilliant.

[Qwerty]

Rumours of IL2's death are not exaggerated:

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Only when it will be ready. But now I can say that changes thare will be minimal, becasue of absolutely no time.

Probably there will be only very minimal changes. See answer above.

There will be many surprises in time. Like with Il-2 we put in engine many things that will be open later later depending of middle PC power on the market.
With 4.09 we will stop any work with Il-2. Really we did it already... just waiting finalization of new maps.

Sounds of BoB only when beta will be on the runway.
No new sounds in 4.09.

Somebody hacked a dead game. Guess it's time to start worrying about something important: Third World debt relief. The AIDS crisis. Famine in Zimbabwe. The suppression of democratic freedoms in Russia. The rise of the Chinese economy. Global Warming. Israel and Hezbollah. Iran/Iraq.

Y'know - really important stuff.

Can you do it, Carguy? Can ya?

[ElAurens]

So that's it huh?

We just run up the white flag and let the hackers win?

Most of the UBI mods have already surrendered.

Is that all there is to it?

The best piece of software I've ever put on my computer, shredded to bits, online play being jeapardized, poorly done aircraft being pasted up, international laws broken, a very creative group's jobs/livelyhood possibly damaged, and we now say OK?

I'm sorry, but I don't get it, at all.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Qwerty

Rumours of IL2's death are not exaggerated:

Somebody hacked a dead game. Guess it's time to start worrying about something important: Third World debt relief. The AIDS crisis. Famine in Zimbabwe. The suppression of democratic freedoms in Russia. The rise of the Chinese economy. Global Warming. Israel and Hezbollah. Iran/Iraq.

Y'know - really important stuff.

Can you do it, Carguy? Can ya?

Nothing more to add.

[Pike]

Chivas,
Yes I actually believe it belongs to me just as they take my hard earned money, believe they can do with it what they like...and DO do with it what they like! It would not be nice nor right of me to have the game for 6 months or a year and then say "I want my money back as it still belongs to me and anyway, this game does not do what I want it to." I have nothing against Oleg....he has my full support and has given me a window into the past to enjoy. I would rather pay him directly and let him divide the money up into who gets what portion of it. I have no time for those lawyers who say that you buy something, but its not really yours so you cannot even lend it to someone else without breaking some law or other. I tell you something, I can see the Net going like the stock exchange where everything is based on confidence and there is only paper.....no money.
I think there is a strong cultural divide between Europeans and Americans on this particular issue since in the US most things are rented, not owned.
Best regards,
SLP

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Pike

Chivas,
Yes I actually believe it belongs to me just as they take my hard earned money, believe they can do with it what they like...and DO do with it what they like!...

I think there is a strong cultural divide between Europeans and Americans on this particular issue since in the US most things are rented, not owned.
Best regards,
SLP

The above is total BS. YOU MADE THE AGREEMENT TO BUY A LICENSE, NOT THE CODE. If you didn't like the EULA, then you shouldn't have installed it. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT MOST SOFTWARE IS PURCHASED ON A LICENSE BASIS.

I live in the US, have for my entire 38 years, and aside from a moving truck and movies, I've never rented anything. To say that, "...in the US most things are rented, now owned...", is just ignorant.

--Outlaw.

[Bearcat]

When is this going to stop? All the back and forth nonsense.... GET OVER IT!! The sim has been hacked.. either use it or don't.. but all this BS will not change anything... If any of you know how to relock the sim or if Oleg plans to do it great!!! In the meantime however this back and forth nonsense is just too darned much for me.... because it changes absolutely nothing. The sim is still hacked... and all you guys are doing is hammering the wedge in deeper and deeper... It isn't about "letting the hackers win" .... if there is a winner or looser at this point in time then they already won once the sim was hacked and Oleg said he had neither the manpower or the time to deal with it... whether or not it is a temporary victory only time will tell.. but what pray tell will any of you do? NOTHING... because there is nothing you can do except continue to get your drawers in knot on forums across the net about this.... and that to me is just a waste of time... Id rather be flying or reading....

All this round robin has been going on for what.... @ 3 months now... maybe longer? Pfft... grow up .... all of you and get over it because all this childish cr@p wont change a d@mn thing. Either use the hacks or don't as your conscience dictates.. but enough if the whining and cryiong like a bunch of 3 year olds.. for crying out loud... I can't believe sometimes that some of you guys are grown men.