Pilot kill after pilot kill. How do they do it??

[Borsch]

People play single player and feel themselves as absolute aces and then the rude awakening of the multilayer brings them down a notch and produces cognitive dissonance that leads to them talking about cheating... People are much better than the AI ok?

Its the same story with BF3 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFZh...&feature=g-u-u

There are quite a lot of people who are AWESOMELY better then you, just admit it and try to improve. If you give a firing solution to your enemy, expect to die - simple as.

[BGs_Ricky]

As Ataros suggests I's say that probably getting the right ammo belt could increase the percentage of PK. Much more "gaming the game" than cheating, as those loadouts are probably not historically correct. My two cents.

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by Ataros

100% AP rounds and shooting at convergence

This.

Originally Posted by BGs_Ricky

As Ataros suggests I's say that probably getting the right ammo belt could increase the percentage of PK. Much more "gaming the game" than cheating, as those loadouts are probably not historically correct. My two cents.

Maybe not historically correct but since Spitfires do not burn there is little point in bringing incendiary to a fight.

[Torian]

Originally Posted by Borsch

People play single player and feel themselves as absolute aces and then the rude awakening of the multilayer brings them down a notch and produces cognitive dissonance that leads to them talking about cheating... People are much better than the AI ok?

There are quite a lot of people who are AWESOMELY better then you, just admit it and try to improve. If you give a firing solution to your enemy, expect to die - simple as.

Borsch, I have over a thousand hours pretty much all on the ATAG server and am very happy to admit that there are plenty who are awesomely better than me. What I am referring to is a very small group who rarely get anything other than a pilot kill and can get them in quick succession. I don't see any1 else who can amass the sheer number of kills in any given server session so quickly. Admittedly they rarely bother to land their planes but just ditch them and get a new plane to get back into the action...just what u like to see in a full realism sim. If AP loadouts, tweaked convergences, low monitor resolution and great flying skill is what is happening then ok. I don't have the expertise needed to know what can be "altered" by knowledgeable people but I know a fair few good 109 pilots who can't hold a candle to these guys. One flight sim I flew years ago was hacked to pieces by a programmer who could assign any hit power value to his ammo loadout so u were dead if any bullet hit ur plane. At least he was up font about it but what I greatly fear is that we are not all played for fools and we have our d'oh moment down the track and say "it looked like a duck and quacked like a duck" but we insisted it was all good.
I guess u really have to be in the ATAG server when these guys are on to appreciate where I'm coming from and I'm not sure how often u get in there.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Torian

What I am referring to is a very small group who rarely get anything other than a pilot kill and can get them in quick succession.

You're suggesting that there is a group of pilots, apparently from Russia, who are too good to be legit. Would you mind providing the nicknames?

I often fly practice on Russian minced meat servers like Repka No.4 and some of the local guys are ridiculously good pilots and shots. I know several other pilots who would PK you when you blink and they are not Russian and there is certainly nothing else than skill in that.

[Torian]

Originally Posted by Robo.

You're suggesting that there is a group of pilots, apparently from Russia, who are too good to be legit. Would you mind providing the nicknames?

Just come into the server on a regular basis and u will soon see for yourself and make your own assessment.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by david198502

well, there is definitely some cheating going on...
Ive seen for example a spit with only one wing turning like crazy for about 10minutes, while about 10 109s were shooting at it on atag above folkstone...
It just didnt go down...it turned like it didnt had no damage at all...it only went down when i managed to kill the pilot....this was approximately 3months ago...

On the same day one of our raf pilots told us, that they have seen a 109 flying with supersonic speeds around shooting like crazy...

lag

[David198502]

10min lag while the spit turns perfectly?no warping or whatsoever...?

[julien673]

What its will be good is like counter strike, the last 5-15 second in reply when you are shooting down in the enemy view

[Bikerjack]

People play single player and feel themselves as absolute aces and then the rude awakening of the multilayer brings them down a notch and produces cognitive dissonance that leads to them talking about cheating... People are much better than the AI ok?

I agree with this sentiment. I know I have to improve both my flying and dogfighting/aiming skills in order to survive online.

Situation awareness is of paramount importance. It's difficult to spot other planes in the first instance and even then to identify a friend from foe is never easy. You have to get up close to check out the plane you are targetting and so your concentration is 100% on that aspect. Check your six and your eyes can easily lose track of the plane you were originally flying towards. This is surely close to reality? How many actual WW2 pilots were shot out of the sky without even knowing what hit them?

I really like to hear other pilots on teamspeak who seem to work in teams and support each other. Fundamentally, the need to fly with a wingman was almost a given in real combat. Personally, I would love to be good enough to fly in close formation with others and therefore support each other in spotting, targetting and engaging enemy aircraft. It would be good if we "regrouped" at a given point after combat and therefore, hopefully live a bit longer?

Too often there are lone "maverick" pilots (me included) flying about without any coordination. Suddenly, you are attacked by a "better" pilot or, simply, he has seen you first, and - game over.

I recall a note from one poster who said it took a year or two in IL2 to perfect flying skills and dogfighting. I can well believe it.

I don't know enough about the potential for cheating to comment. I just accept that I have a lot to learn and believe that "practice makes perfect" to be the only way forward

Communication is the key. Fly alone and you are gonna die!