Is the comunity manager coming in ?

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I don't think you would find those insults at sukhoi.ru.

Maybe they know more than us... maybe Ilya told them at the release time that the game was really incomplete and an Alpha version. Maybe they bought it as an investment.

Instead here "somebody" kept saying that the game was great, that in a pair of month were would be thousand player online. Of course many of us could not really trust him. It was fair to think about receiving a Beta version, no problem here for most of us fanboys... BUT not a game of which its main cores are still under full development (are graphic engine and sound engine main cores in a sim? they are not being fixed, they are under development!).

Look, I don't blame Luthier. IMO he's a victim since he's developing this sim because he's an fanboy too. I'm sure the state of thing was tragic when he took the lead on the studio. I totally blame the former project manager of CloD.

I only can blame him about not telling us the real state of the game before the release. I would have helped him gladly.

Look at RoF: they have finantial issues, asked for an help and people are buying planes even if they don't fly with their simulator (Insuber is one of this).

[Insuber]

Alpha, when you blame us for "insulting" the devs, who in retaliation are not willing to communicate with us, while the Russian users are so polite and gentle and helpful to deserve a community manager, are you speaking on the basis of solid info or you are just reading this interesting story into your personal crystal ball ?

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Where did I blame any one for anything ?

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Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

They have been called everything from thieves and liars to personal insults and being ridiculed at this forum.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Where did I blame any one for anything ?

Please answer, mate, answering with another question is not polite. Are you speculating, or you have been told by the devs that they are reluctant to communicate here for the reasons that you described?

[Ctrl E]

KG26_Alpha. Can I ask whether as moderator you have any direct line of communication with the developers?

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Please answer, mate, answering with another question is not polite. Are you speculating, or you have been told by the devs that they are reluctant to communicate here for the reasons that you described?

I have not blamed anyone for insulting the devs simply my observations of the past behaviour on this forum, and the complaints as a moderator I have had to deal with towards them.

I didn't say they are reluctant to communicate here, I simply pointed out that it makes sense for a Russian speaking development team communicate in Russian with Russian speaking forum users via a Russian speaking forum manager.

Originally Posted by Ctrl E

KG26_Alpha. Can I ask whether as moderator you have any direct line of communication with the developers?

Me personally no.

Originally Posted by Orpheus

'This shows you have not read or understood anything I posted' is ironic, because I had the same reaction to your reply. There are far fewer trolls here now than there were at release, anyone spending any time here can see that, and to tar the entire non-russian community with that brush is pointless and wasteful. You know as well as I do that dev posts here are met with more praise than anger nowadays, so the 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' line doesn't hold water, not least because it was Oleg that said that, and Oleg is no longer here.

I don't believe for a second that there are somehow fewer trolls in Russia, or that sukhoi.ru is a haven of peaceful co-operation. There, as here, moderating the outright insults and moving the worthy arguments is the job of forum moderators like yourself - if that's not happening and the devs (who should have thicker skins) are getting upset, then you're not shielding them from the worst of it, and you need more moderators, or just better ones.

And as the 'bashing' (which, let's be honest, is not actually constant; you're over-dramatising, as most of the posts here seem to be fairly sensible) has an effect, so do the long periods of silence have an effect. The longer the silence, the more effort it takes to regain the trust of the people you have ignored - so yes, it will take some effort to regain that trust. But the alternative is a split community, which is never good for a game - and more bashing. And so the cycle continues, until someone is brave enough to break it.

And no, you're right, we've not 'lost' anything. But the reaction to this, and the constant and ongoing calls for communication and involvement continue, should tell you that the great majority of people here want to be positive, want to help, and to be involved. They care about this game just as much as the Russians do, and they're shut out because a few trolls scared the devs, who, to be quite honest, must have known they were going to get some flak when they released the game in that state.

Retreating to 'their side of the border' is just plain hiding - it's always been hiding, and it always will be. In the end they just damage themselves by isolating and ignoring their customers, wasting an enormous community resource and leave it to people like you to tell us that the only people worthy of involvement are Russians (because they live in a world magically free of trolls).

So no, you really didn't read (or at least, understand) a word I said in the last post. I doubt you'll fare any better this time either, but I live in hope. This community has some really decent people who don't deserve to be tarred by the actions of others, and drinking the kool-aid in this way, frankly, does them a disservice.

I did read all your post but its the usual rant again seen many times at these forums just in a different format.

Originally Posted by swiss

You got it wrong I guess.
From a community manager, the community expects interactions, or a least actions in the sense of posting news, progress etc.
Now, if they refuse to communicate with this part here, we're obviously not part of the community - right?
They reject us, most here feel like customers though. Not sooo cool.

I refer you to the earlier post I made regarding the new community manager not posting at these forums.





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Have fun all I'm off for some flying.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

I didn't say they are not reluctant to communicate here, I simply pointed out that it makes sense for a Russian speaking development team communicate in Russian with Russian speaking forum users via a Russian speaking forum manager.

fyp.

[Insuber]

no Alpha, you didn't say only that. You said that developers are not communicating here because we are bashing and insulting, and they prefer to communicate in the sukhoi forum because they are helpful and supportive. Iwill try again: are you just making hypotheses, or you've been told so by Luthier?

[Ctrl E]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

I have not blamed anyone for insulting the devs simply my observations of the past behaviour on this forum, and the complaints as a moderator I have had to deal with towards them.

I didn't say they are reluctant to communicate here, I simply pointed out that it makes sense for a Russian speaking development team communicate in Russian with Russian speaking forum users via a Russian speaking forum manager.

Give me a break. Luthier is an American.

[Orpheus]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

I did read all your post but its the usual rant again seen many times at these forums just in a different format.

I don't think it was a rant at any point, I actually thought I was excessively civil. And yes, it is still (in part) the same argument, but that argument is still valid. Refusing to engage with it doesn't make it any less relevant and merely causes further damage. I'm sorry you are unable to see that, as I did try very hard to lay it out in an easy to read and rational manner.

Enjoy your flight.