Luthier Update Clarification Please

[touchdown42]

Originally Posted by SNAFU

I hope too, that the BoB 1940 szenario will be extended in its content and will not be dropped with the release of the successor BoM 1941. It would be a shame...


Moin Touchdown,

english meaning of eventual is not our meaning of eventuell...

eventually = finally => schlußendlich

Ahhh, thx, better use an online dic next time before posting

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame. Tossing this into the 'that'll do' bin would be a mistake on their part. Please prove me wrong. Surely all new developments/features in 'Battle for Moscow' will be applicable to CoD, too? Madness to think otherwise, but these days I sadly find myself second guessing everything they do.

+1 to what uther said; you nailed it mate.
IMHO, the BoB side of this series will only truly come into its own once the community can work their magic. Dedicated groups working on areas such as the terrain, weather, effects etc could truly lift this game to new realms, as well as offering the users a lot of choice in how their game plays and looks.
Roll on the SDK('s)!

[addman]

Let's just say I wont be standing outside the local games shop waiting for it to open the next time. I'll just let the rest of you do the guinea pig ride the next time around.

Originally Posted by addman

Let's just say I wont be standing outside the local games shop waiting for it to open the next time. I'll just let the rest of you do the guinea pig ride the next time around.

If we ever get to that....

[AMVI_Superblu]

I think (and mostly HOPE) that the sequel of IL-2 Cliffs of Dover will be the same as IL-2 plus all expansions like Pacific Figthers etc.

It's the most logic thing.

Would be useless to have, let's say, 5 different IL-2 without being able to fly (for example) a FW190 on the Channel, creating new battle's scenarios etc.

Let's hope.

S!

[flyingblind]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame. Tossing this into the 'that'll do' bin would be a mistake on their part. Please prove me wrong. Surely all new developments/features in 'Battle for Moscow' will be applicable to CoD, too? Madness to think otherwise, but these days I sadly find myself second guessing everything they do.

Why is that such a big problem? As has been said many times - it was possibly a choice of releasing CloD as was or never seeing it let alone any sequel. No doubt the plan is to get CloD properly sorted as quickly as possible to the developers and players satisfaction and once the engine is fully working, as I am sure it will be then other theatres can be released as per the original IL-2 series. This makes perfect sense if you really want CloD to carry on in the MG tradition which in turn is dependent on financial success.

If you want to call the sim a test bed and players guinea pigs then fine. The Battle of Britain is a perfect scenario for this. It was relatively short, contained in a small area and had a limited plane set. Apart from us Brits who see it as a major conflict up there with Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo, the rest of the world see it as a rather minor side show. Once it is fully working and has good reviews then the important theatres will be grabbed by serious and not so serious simmers everywhere.

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

[addman]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

Wrong, that was me before the release of CloD, high expectations -rightly so- and big letdowns. I didn't say that I'd never buy a MG offering again, I simply meant that I will wait until the verdict is out this time around, if it's in shambles like CloD was at release then no, I will not "touch" it. I'm sure the Moscow sequel will be in a much better state though considering the improvements that has been made with CloD.

[proton45]

Originally Posted by addman

Wrong, that was me before the release of CloD, high expectations -rightly so- and big letdowns. I didn't say that I'd never buy a MG offering again, I simply meant that I will wait until the verdict is out this time around, if it's in shambles like CloD was at release then no, I will not "touch" it. I'm sure the Moscow sequel will be in a much better state though considering the improvements that has been made with CloD.

Your mistake was having "high expectations", to begin with...and I don't mean that in a negative sense. I'm a BIG fan of the "IL2 Sturmovik" series, but I don't fantasize, dream and place high expectations on the final product. What these guys have done is really quite interesting...its not perfect (by any measure of the word), but what they have accomplished (post patches, ect) is looking quite good.

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

I'm just curious...what aspect of the game fails to "immerse" you in the Battle Of Britain? I'm assuming that you are not talking about the "clouds", or "AI" because these are aspects of the game that will always be improved and updated (just like they always did). I don't know if people remember the original "IL2" series, but it was always a work in progress...right up to the very end. Nothing new...

Originally Posted by proton45

Your mistake was having "high expectations", to begin with...and I don't mean that in a negative sense. I'm a BIG fan of the "IL2 Sturmovik" series, but I don't fantasize, dream and place high expectations on the final product. What these guys have done is really quite interesting...its not perfect (by any measure of the word), but what they have accomplished (post patches, ect) is looking quite good

lol, this made me laugh "your mistake"

The high expectations came from all the BS that Oleg and Luthier were constantly spouting pre-release, only a few of us saw through it, you unfortunately were one of those that didn't.

[Whiski]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

Why is that such a big problem? As has been said many times - it was possibly a choice of releasing CloD as was or never seeing it let alone any sequel. No doubt the plan is to get CloD properly sorted as quickly as possible to the developers and players satisfaction and once the engine is fully working, as I am sure it will be then other theatres can be released as per the original IL-2 series. This makes perfect sense if you really want CloD to carry on in the MG tradition which in turn is dependent on financial success.

If you want to call the sim a test bed and players guinea pigs then fine. The Battle of Britain is a perfect scenario for this. It was relatively short, contained in a small area and had a limited plane set. Apart from us Brits who see it as a major conflict up there with Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo, the rest of the world see it as a rather minor side show. Once it is fully working and has good reviews then the important theatres will be grabbed by serious and not so serious simmers everywhere.

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

I will definitely buy a sequel/add on for this game. Even though CLoD is not finished, I see the potential this game has and for the games to come. MG's track record is rather good as far as my experience goes and I will keep that faith in them.

Just my opinion though but I do not think they will leave CLoD in the desk drawer without first completing it. That would be like drafting an architectural blue print, then erecting the building without it. It is the base design and it needs to be complete for future expansions.

Whiskey