External sounds audible in cockpit with engine running?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Can't vote as the questions are loaded towards a specific outcome for the poll.

You should have had. "Yes, but only where sound(s) could realistically be heard under the ambient conditions."

Cheers!

[droz]

Just curious if you have ever actually flown a real aircraft. If you have, then you'd realize that you can hear all sorts of sounds outside the cockpit.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by droz

Just curious if you have ever actually flown a real aircraft. If you have, then you'd realize that you can hear all sorts of sounds outside the cockpit.

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[smink1701]

since in a real plane you might feel the flaps and landing gear but are missing that opportunity here, sound is the next best alternative.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by droz

Just curious if you have ever actually flown a real aircraft. If you have, then you'd realize that you can hear all sorts of sounds outside the cockpit.

I've never flown any of the aircraft featured in Cliffs of Dover, but I've flown a North American Harvard. It's a WW2-era aircraft and you cannot hear a thing over the engine sound other than the radio speaker in your helmet. Perhaps Merlins, DB601's, and Jumos, etc. are significantly quieter in the cockpit than P&W Wasp radial engines -- that I wouldn't know.

That said, I didn't vote since there was no realism option offered in this poll. Otherwise, it's a fair question IMHO.

EDIT: Brian Lane in his book "Spitfire!" comments that he can hear near-bursting AA fire - something worth consideration in CoD.

[SYN_Repent]

Originally Posted by Snapper

I've never flown any of the aircraft featured in Cliffs of Dover, but I've flown a North American Harvard. It's a WW2-era aircraft and you cannot hear a thing over the engine sound other than the radio speaker in your helmet. Perhaps Merlins, DB601's, and Jumos, etc. are significantly quieter in the cockpit than P&W Wasp radial engines -- that I wouldn't know.

in this example YOU didnt hear a thing over the engine sound, but YOU didnt have 8 browning .303's to fire, or 6 .50 cals firing at you, or other high performance aircraft engines screaming past you.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Just remove that damned sonar from the game. Not a single veteran I have talked to mentioned they could HEAR an enemy plane approaching. They relied on their eyes and therefore had a CONSTANT look around.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by SYN_Repent

in this example YOU didnt hear a thing over the engine sound, but YOU didnt have 8 browning .303's to fire, or 6 .50 cals firing at you, or other high performance aircraft engines screaming past you.

Good point. I've been on firing lines with, at different times, 7.62 or 5.56 semi-automatic fire on either side which was loud enough. Likewise, I've worked the target pits where even at 300 meters downrange the reports were also very loud. That's my only base for reference. I believe you would certainly hear, albeit muffled due to engine noise and padded helmet, automatic fire from wing-mounted guns and possibly fire directed at you from immediately behind.

I do NOT believe you would hear another aircraft's engine coming up behind you as we can in CoD. Another aircraft roaring close by, very possibly -- but I doubt very much from behind. This has saved my bacon a few times in CoD because I've heard a 109 on my six lining me up and I've broke just in time. But I've never heard a Spit or Hurri pilot claim he HEARD a 109 or 190 doing this. Have you?

[klem]

Originally Posted by SYN_Repent

in this example YOU didnt hear a thing over the engine sound, but YOU didnt have 8 browning .303's to fire, or 6 .50 cals firing at you, or other high performance aircraft engines screaming past you.

Never mind what you guys THINK you know about aircraft you haven't flown. Get this reaction from a WWII BoB pilot:

Me: Could you hear other aircraft from inside the Spit cockpit?

KW: No. [Looked at me a little strangely as if he really wanted to say, of course not, what a silly question. [So flyby sounds within closed cockpit need to be disabled or at least made optional in the realism menu.]

full interview:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=26512

Note also his comments about warmed engines btw (sorry, OT)

[pupo162]

Originally Posted by droz

Just curious if you have ever actually flown a real aircraft. If you have, then you'd realize that you can hear all sorts of sounds outside the cockpit.

well i couldnt hear absolutely nothing but my plane whinning.. .and not that big of an engine too.