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Old 08-28-2011, 01:57 AM
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In a strange way it is reasuring. From my impression on the RoF forum Jason seems to be someone you can believe.....he is also the one getting po'ed real fast about whiner threads, while he knew they were working hard on the sim.

So in a way this is good news if Jason talks so positively about Luthier, give the team time and they will make this into a stellar sim.

What is that about the money?.....hmmm, sure my poll was just a stupid hoax, right?

After so many years and then less than stellar sales you just have to have an inkling that they can't be doing so great moneywise.

Nah, not going to say it, was going to say something about people trying to run this sim on their 4 year old compaq and then complain, but I won't.

Let's hope Luthier and the team keep going on strong.
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Old 08-28-2011, 02:36 AM
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When Luthier will see his business reputation in danger, he or some good friend of him will spit out all the truth. At least, his truth.
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Old 08-28-2011, 02:55 AM
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Seemed pretty clear to me for some time that Oleg was either pushed or shoved and that Luthier, bless him, took on the rest and a release schedule. I think it's also clear that he's guilty of 'massaging' the product's capabilities since then, but I also think Luthier's fundamentally got the sim's best interests in mind. He's just got alot on his plate at the moment and is, perhaps, not seeing the woods of the trees when it comes to customer relations.

I haven't played CloD in weeks, but I dare say I will when it's patched.
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Old 08-28-2011, 03:01 AM
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Brilliant. Now 1C will fire Luthier for discussing and disclosing confidential company information to a competing developer and then having that information subsquently posted all over the internet. Maybe 1C, you need to hire Santa Claus to get you out of this CLoDy mess? In any event, it’s time to consult your lawyers.
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Old 08-28-2011, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 777 Studios - Jason

Again, you see to blame Ubi for all this. Why don't you ask 1C if $8 million and 7 years was enough time and money for a team to eventually be held accountable for there work and produce a product? Ubi is not quite the monster they are being portrayed as. Some of you hold Oleg and 1C up like some sort of gods and people who can do no wrong which is foolish.

There is no need to be an Oleg or 1C apologist.

Jason
It seems Ubi is not so much to blame and it is mainly the fault of 1C and Oleg Maddox that this game was released in such bad shape. Luthier has been brought in to clean up the mess. Lets hope he can.

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Old 08-28-2011, 03:08 AM
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When Luthier will see his business reputation in danger, he or some good friend of him will spit out all the truth. At least, his truth.
Hum...Very slippery situation here....IF indeed Luthier was called in by 1C to complete the game, he must have had some kind of NDA contract.
And I dont think it is HIS business.Its a job he has to do .He has a budget and a time frame. His reputation is not at stake as long as he does a good job within those parameters... Giving us some news or updates has no impact on him either. And whatever we say in forums has no impact at all on his professionnal level. Its a small world out there...Look whos doing the sound FX now for CLOD.
What we really dont know is who is setting the quality level and to what expectations...Who will decide when the game is " completed" .
What is the quality level they are aiming at ....Who pulls the strings ?

I dont expect any news soon. IMHO next move will be the release of the final
"original" version. Somebody will decide if the support will go on to the point of integrating those clouds, weather f/x and so on that Oleg showed us...years ago !

Salute !
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Old 08-28-2011, 01:47 AM
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Thanks for re-posting this information from Jason on this Forum Tree.
If 1C had allowed the COD situation to be posted some time ago and its reasons for releasing the game prematurely, there no doubt would have been a lot more understanding given to the problems the development team were facing .
IC should post an apology here,not only to its customers but to the COD team for the grief they have caused them.
I dont` expect they have the Balls to though.
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Old 08-28-2011, 01:58 AM
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So does this mean that Tree is going to stop calling Luthier a liar and throwing dirt on every thing he or the development team does?

Thanks Jason!
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Old 08-28-2011, 02:02 AM
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So does this mean that Tree is going to stop calling Luthier a liar and throwing dirt on every thing he or the development team does?

Thanks Jason!
You think?
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Old 08-28-2011, 01:53 AM
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For those that were/are still under the belief that CLOD was financed by Ubisoft then read this below, especially Chivas who as been on my case about this for a long time.


Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason

I'm sorry, but I need to say something because your comments are not correct.

1.) Luthier is a long-time friend of mine and you are smearing him with no proof or knowledge of what really happened that caused the less than stellar release of CLOD. Oleg didn't hand Luthier anything. Luthier was asked by 1C to try to finish the project after Oleg was, depending who you talk to, relieved of duty by 1C or he quit 1C. You make the call. Luthier is making the best of a bad situation and he is a good guy and from what I can tell a good manager. My point is you can't blame him for the release or bad decisions that were forced upon him by others. He was given 12 months to correct 6 years of bad decisions made by others. A good analogy is blaming me for every decision made regarding ROF before my company took over. Coming from someone who had to take over a not so great situation I know what he is going through.

2.) Again, you see to blame Ubi for all this. Why don't you ask 1C if $8 million and 7 years was enough time and money for a team to eventually be held accountable for there work and produce a product? Ubi is not quite the monster they are being portrayed as. Again, see my comments about Oleg's departure. Only Duke Nukem' can have a never ending dev cycle and hell even that got released eventually. Bringing Oleg back isn't going to solve anything. 1C loves when you blame Ubi. 1C was the day to day manager and owners of IL-2 franchise, not to the mention the primary funding source so why aren't they held accountable? Some of you hold Oleg and 1C up like some sort of gods and people who can do no wrong which is foolish.

I'm not going to say anymore, but what you've said about Luthier isn't fair to him. There is no need to be an Oleg or 1C apologist.

Jason
IC and UBISOFT are both publishers and probably funders of the development. I see nothing there that says UBISOFT wasn't funding the project aswell, as a matter of fact, the way its worded it could almost be interrupted as UBI funded the 8 million and IC weren't accountable. Many people confuse IC's publishing business and IC's development business. Maybe Jason can comment.
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