Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[kristorf]

Rave,
Uther has been flying this sim for ages, I used to regularly go against him in Air Wars.

Could we not agree that there are them with and them without.

**Confesional bit**

I have this 'thing that should not be mentioned' and also a 'Vanilla' copy.

The altered version is for single player and squad DCG's (we all have the same bits, namely the sound and cockpit ones.
The original is for online play (this is the one Hyper Lobby is directed to.

As long as I do not go 'live' against others who don't have it I (honestly) could not give a toss, I have paid my money, from the original IL2 release up to 1946, with all the official bits between.

I still love this game, and will continue to fly it even if SOW is ever released (the range and scope is to big to leave it alone), however, I will not be shouted down or harranged into doing something because someone else does not like it.
I think its called 'freedom of expression', and in my job I see plenty of people who attempt to deny that right to others.

[Billfish]

Well to those arguing with the hack supporters seriously do NOT waste your time in these threads as you'd realize these are only deliberate trolls even stated as such on their forum.........

That said, any who have been here long enough realize that cheating has gone on since day one in many forms.....Be it non-sim hacking (altering ones own PC's clocking and so on) hence all the settings we have below:

[NET]
..........
..........
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02
checkTimeSpeedInterval=2
checkRuntime=2

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

Yet, they only work so well, sadly nothing fool proof and more so as cheaters (people who deliberately try and "game the game" for an edge vs. skill) become wiser being called on it, it becomes less black and white to more shades of gray.

That said, the new mods/hacks I'm sure for the most part were intended to simply add onto and improve the simulation............Unfortunately, just as with the initial hacking of the sim, they have been made and distributed irresponsibly. That's really a pity, as most of these even the ones I mentioned could of been developed, and submitted in such a way the community as a whole would of accepted them......Think not?.....Here's an example.

Taking the Mirror & Gyro types of gunsight mods, as released they become a cheat for those using them against others expecting a stock product....Cut and dry how it is. Worse still, they are laid out so Joe hardcore cheater can alter them further.

However....

If the group had taken the time to:
1. Get their facts straight.
2. Get the graphics accurate and up to the newer standards of the sim.
3. Not added them to existing planes yet added them as a new plane varient (Spitfire IX = orig. vs. Spitfire IX Gyro = new plane add).
4. Tested them fully as alpha and beta then made corrections and adjustments.
5. Compiled it into a safe difficult to alter pack.
6. Released it as a new sim version (call it 5.01 say)....

Then, there would not be ANY reason for non-hackers to gripe as server operators could control which versions of the Spit IX were allowed, everyone up to 5.01 would be par as to play, the files could not be easily hacked further and so on.

Yet that would take some common sense.........The rush to simply have what they want now, as they want it and the ability to tweak it to gain an edge even further plus using them in 4.08 play quite simply making them cheats....

Anyone who can't see and understand that either lacking in the ability to think logically, or the morality to not cheat......Sorry to say yet it's that simple, the hackers have made the situation they're facing and we all must deal with.....It's up to them to start correcting it or expect the situation to get worse, for as it stands....most cheating online currently their doing as the old forms we could do nothing about and were rare as they stood....This new form impossible to detect, yet still as much an advantage or cheat as say the speed hack.

Such a pity.........as it could of been so much more.

K2

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by RaVe

UTHER
You must be new to this sim.
If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?
You are part of the problem thank you for contributing to the demise of this sim.

Just because you claim things " feel strange with the game" proves absolutely nothing. Just because you claim in other posts cheats are hard to post evidence of proves nothing either. You are using your own lack of evidence to prove that cheating is common and deriding people who call you on it because you made a post saying lack of evidence means nothing and is your proof it exists?

Here is your evidence.. "The game feels strange" and "other members have noticed it" ?

RaVe.."If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?

and please stop insulting members because they want proof and you have none to give at all and then you say a previous post of yours pointing that out is your proof." What nonesense...

[Bandit Bill]

Originally Posted by zapatista

exactly, that is the main issue ! the problem with hacks is that it is mostly aimed at cheating online and gaining an advantage by removing cockpits, adding mirrors, increasing speed and weapons etc etc..

i am not surprised the pro-hack kids cant even understand that. with the irrational talk in the other thread that is dangled as "making an argument", they are now asking to prove a negative, saying because no reformed hacker in 2 days post a "no cockpit view" used on a full real server, it isnt being used ? duh !! i think my 6 yo can see the flaw in that.

...

do a search on google for yourself and see some of the recent il2 youtube video's posted of hack kiddies playing with the files.

i have a better suggestion, why dont you hack kiddies prove there is no cheating online, and that by simply using the improved sound files there has been no change whatsoever in any of the planes flight models ?

Funny how you throw out the Hack Kiddie insult to the pro-modders. I thought insults on this forum were not kosher.

And as proof to that, the 'other' forum has precious little 'hack kiddies'. I suspect a lot are old enough to be your poppa, judging by your own posting maturity.

A little Poll i put up on the 'other site'.. no worries, you won't be corrupted by hackitis if you only look at the poll.. there is no download links on the topic unless you choose to stray outside of the poll topic so your moral high-ground should remain high and dry.

http://tinyurl.com/2jbgsy

I think an apology is owing to the pro-modders arguing their case on this forum topic.. i don't think any are a 'hack kiddie', as you are insulting/insinuating.

[Santa Claus]

Read the earlier post.

http://rapidshare.com/files/77216729..._408m.zip.html

Ho Ho Ho

[fly_zo]

...this is a joke ... no need to run and PM Evgeny ....

[RaVe]

Originally Posted by Santa Claus

Read the earlier post.

http://rapidshare.com/files/77216729..._408m.zip.html

Ho Ho Ho

I just watched the tracks I would recommend that everyone takes a good hard look at them .

wile eating crow

from spits V 109