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I will keep on stating this until nausea: we need a better interaction with the development team.

The whole spirit of this forum should have been of help and support, keeping things on topic (yes, boring topics to many maybe, but there are other forum for the OT rubbish), and trying to help with the development and change, because let's not forget that we've been sold an unfinished beta.

Now I have nothing against it, but it was one of the most unprofessional, appalling things I've ever seen, but having faith in Maddox Games and in view of the admin changes, I was hoping for a more effective and interactive reality, a reality where developers would come to the forum and ask, tell, explain, just like it happened with the development of the RoF beta, to which I merrily took part and gave my contribution regarding aeroplane behaviour.

The level of detail that we have today needs the input of multiple people, we can't just lock a bunch of code monkeys in a room and tell them to work at insane rates to shell out a sim.

How did we come to this stage? So many years of development and not a roadmap, not a release note, nothing official!! It's a sign of serious mishandling of a potentially successful software house.

I remember the times when Oleg had his typical smirk when asked "could this product take place of bigger things like Flight Simulator?", because I'm sure that was the long term project. It all vanished for some reason and there we are, with a rough diamond that needs still a lot of skillful craftmanship to be finished..

I'll be here waiting (like we've done for the last 6 years), but really, what a disappointment, so many years of experience and having learnt nothing from it in terms of development.

[raaaid]

i dint like much my locking of the salute thread

it was perfectly on topic and would improve the future of the game

but the poison spreaders prefer me banned for the sole reason of always being positive, positive about life and the game, and fullfill their agenda of ruining the game and comunity

it was stupid the mods listened to the reports of that thread when those reports had a negative intention while mine couldnt be more positive

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

+1

Cup is half full here too. I feel bad for those that are so hurt and wronged by the unfinished product that they are compelled to tantrums and largely useless rant posts (ad nauseum) like we didn't hear them the first time.

If it's next year's game then put it on the shelf and wait for it to be done, nobody's making you play it, and nobody made you buy it on the first day without waiting 24hours for reviews to save you all the heartache.

We also don't need armchair interpretations of how the software business is, or should be run and how devastating it all is for the industry.

Personally, I'm interested enough in what's there to be pretty grateful they released it a year early so I can try it out as an alpha/beta but then again I knew what I was getting into. Apparently others who are so butt-hurt about it would rather go on and on and on and on in the forums about it so that they can ruin everyone else's experience too. Nice job.

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

I guess your right Gunny, Luthier is doing the smartest thing by keeping out of the forums, if I sold something to lots of people whom i knew were my loyal following and had big respect for me, and i sold this product at full retail price knowing very well it was not fit for purpose then I to would be making myself very scarce. He's doing the smart thing.

[Tiger27]

Ah Tree, your a shining light always seeing the good in people, he may be just busy formulating that apology your always after

[Anvilfolk]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

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Hear, hear!

[ParaB]

Basically all my sim buddies have shelved CoD for the time being and enjoy Rise of Flight, DCS:A-10C or even IL2:1946, as do I.

Most of us still hope for a bright future for CoD but none of us expects this to actually happen in the near future.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

+1 The toddlers have cried themselves out and finally gone to sleep and what would be the point of Luthier reiterating "The work continues" every seven days just to create a 20 page thread of nothing. I'm glad he's not babying the brats with constant attention to their whines, he must have caught some "super nanny" as this approach is far more effective in the long run. News when there is information to impart and no news is good news when there isn't.

[addman]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

Yes, it's all good for you MP pilots but -believe it or not- not everybody play this game for the multiplayer. I play quite a few games online but IL-2 and CloD are amongst those games I prefer to play in single-player mode since I want to experience engrossing campaigns where one progresses and receive awards/new equipment/rise in rank. I don't get any rewards in flying around in an online furball collecting useless points. Co-op is nice though but it depends very much on who you play with and I don't want to be dependent on others for my gaming experience. That's where my main gripe with CloD lies, I expected it to advance in the single-player area or at least offer something similar to IL-2 but it actually took a step back from IL-2.

I can see where you're coming from though but don't try to make it seem as what only you think and what you enjoy from this game applies to others. There are no right nor wrong opinions in the matter of the state of this game. It all depends on what you, yourself expected from the game. Now back to playing the RoF campaign

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by addman

Yes, it's all good for you MP pilots but -believe it or not- not everybody play this game for the multiplayer. I play quite a few games online but IL-2 and CloD are amongst those games I prefer to play in single-player mode since I want to experience engrossing campaigns where one progresses and receive awards/new equipment/rise in rank. I don't get any rewards in flying around in an online furball collecting useless points. Co-op is nice though but it depends very much on who you play with and I don't want to be dependent on others for my gaming experience. That's where my main gripe with CloD lies, I expected it to advance in the single-player area or at least offer something similar to IL-2 but it actually took a step back from IL-2.

I can see where you're coming from though but don't try to make it seem as what only you think and what you enjoy from this game applies to others. There are no right nor wrong opinions in the matter of the state of this game. It all depends on what you, yourself expected from the game. Now back to playing the RoF campaign

I never realized that my focus was "flying around in an online furball collecting useless points". Thanks for pointing that out for me.

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

Did you read what I wrote?

This is a great example of what I mean by "drive-by forum shooting". I post one thing - then you change the context - to fit your agenda.

For the record, I enjoy Single Player too - and consider it an important aspect of any sim.

S!

Gunny