Poll: Why I will be supporting CLIFFS OF DOVER and why you should too

[Azimech]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Canceling pre orders is the most stupid and short sighted thing to do. Just after pre ordering a new flight sim, which is the second most stupid and short sighted thing to do.

But anyway, if you have pre ordered you should stick with it now. Canceling just sends a very bad message in form of a excel sheet to a guy in a suit somewhere, who doesn't care if this is maybe the next mother of all flight sims, or a Pokemon against Ninja Turtles game. All what it will do is cutting off support to the executive studio, in this case 1C.

Don't cancel the order guys.

We should post your comment as a sticky.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Canceling pre orders is the most stupid and short sighted thing to do. Just after pre ordering a new flight sim, which is the second most stupid and short sighted thing to do.

But anyway, if you have pre ordered you should stick with it now. Canceling just sends a very bad message in form of a excel sheet to a guy in a suit somewhere, who doesn't care if this is maybe the next mother of all flight sims, or a Pokemon against Ninja Turtles game. All what it will do is cutting off support to the executive studio, in this case 1C.

Don't cancel the order guys.

I've pre-ordered a collector's edition via a relative in the UK and i agree with you. I never pre-ordered any kind of game until now, even the previous IL2 titles (which i own most of) i bought by going to a local store, asking the clerk if they will ship it and he would tell me "come back in 3-4 weeks"...i would go there and buy it.

This is the first time i've pre-ordered and to be honest i was thinking of canceling at some point but then i thought it over. I know the developer team's track record which is part of what pushed me to preorder in the first place. The other half of the reason is that i really wanted a box that resembles the flight sims i used to play as a kid, with printed manuals and the like, so since that means a CE and these are usually limited run copies i thought "what the hell, go for it".

In all honesty, i don't subscribe to the "buy it now or the genre dies" rhetoric. That's what people were telling me about RoF but i didn't buy it and it didn't die. I think that people should be free to decide on their own and if they want to wait until a game improves, i have no problem with it because in our genre (small % of the gamers as it is) the guy who passes a title by today is the same guy who will pre-order another title tomorrow because of a few certain features or just a couple of things that caught his eye and he happens to consider important.

What this community suffers from the most is not lack of support for the hobby, but ridiculous amounts of self-contradiction caused by impatience

I can see people day in and day out going into panic mode at the first sign of stutters on a youtube vid and posting threads about canceling their pre-orders, then before you know it the same people could be asking for instructions on how to buy the Russian version because they saw a different vid on youtube that looks awesome on a mid-range PC. This stuff is completely hilarious

It's also what contributes the most to the atmosphere of all-pervading crankiness on these forums, a ton of mixed signals and contradicting posts that serve to further confuse and draw others into the vicious cycle, all because some people can't exercise elementary self and impulse control on their itchy forum posting fingers.

If people were contend to just say "i'm buying because because of reasons ABC" or "i'm going to wait a bit for reasons XYZ" there wouldn't be a problem at all. It's the legions of headless chickens that make a mess of it, which is not far from reasonable expectation: have you ever seen a few dozen headless chickens running around the place? there's blood sputtering all around

My opinion is, let everyone have their opinion, but actually stick to their guns for once:
a) If you pre-ordered to give a boost to the game's launch stick with it, because you're obviously interested enough to want it to succeed. Canceling your pre-order and buying when it's fixed doesn't get you a working game in less time, you'll still have to wait for the patches.

And since you could obviously throw money away on a pre-order just to help "jump-start" the sim, you can not only afford it but you also care enough to do it. If the state of the game upsets you, shelve it for a couple of months and come back to it after a few patches.

b) If you didn't pre-order and are not happy with how things look, feel free to wait it out. But if you said you're doing so, have the decency to back up your words and do it.

There are games i've stated i won't buy unless certain things change and guess what, i didn't buy them because they haven't changed. If whatever feature is important enough to you to keep debating daily on the forums, to the point that you state you won't buy the game until it's done to your standards, i'm just fine with it as long as you do it. There's nothing wrong with pre-release requests and jockeying for public support in favor of something you like, because that's actually the timeframe where a request has some chance of being considered. However, if the game progresses in a course completely divergent to your rock-steady assessment of what it should be, have some common decency to stick by your opinion and not buy it.

The "you"s are impersonal by the way

[6BL Bird-Dog]

I will continue to Support Oleg the 1C team and have ordered The Collectors edition.
I remember iL2 when it first came out and it knocked spots off anything else that was about and the successive releases and free content in the patches that stopped the simm becoming stale.
Yes ,even on some of the top hardware available at the time of release it would not play smoothly and seamlessly,but patches were bought out to sort out faults .
Even then tweaking was needed to tune it to the varied hardware around and many individuals from the community ,"mucked in" & spent time,finding solutions which they shared amoungst the rest of us.
I trust that the community will work together as it did before submitting any positive findings and relaying any glitches or errors so that the development team can respond and fix it.
All you guys from the early days will remember the different sites and forums that had info for tweaking your conf.ini ,Ati or Nvidia gpu.
I am sure many of you spent time running "Fraps" and the "Black Death"ntrk trying to get better FPS by tuning bios ,hardware ,system and game settings .
Well this is a new "Game Engine", and "New Engines " all need a bit of tweaking and tuneing to get running sweet.We have been told that there is work in progress for DX11 ,64 bit support etc etc so I can wait .I like what I have seen so far and have no doubt that as in the past Oleg and his team will deliver the goodies were all after .

[BobTuck]

I've bought the Russian version, and I am keeping my pre-order for the western collectors edition too.

1C/MG deserve our support.

BobTuck.

[desmodronic]

I've paid for my 3rd copy now. A Ubi download preorder, A Ubi Collectors edition and I had a go with the Russian version last night. It has massive potential, what we have here is the ugly duckling, waiting to become the beautiful swan. The ingredients are there in spades, the fm is fantastic, the lighting and cockpits are draw dropping, it needs tuning for sure but I have absolutely every confidence that 1C and Maddox will polish this into something spectacular.

S!

[Richie]

It's idiotic to think that after waiting six years for this that I would say..Oh some problems, screw it I'm not buying it. How mudh is that anyway? As much as it costs to take some ugly chick to the movies with popcorn and drinks included. Relax take a pill and wait for a patch or two.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

I think this poll shows clearly the naysayers are in the minority.

So don't be put off by the whining of the vocal few, have patience, this game has potential.

All you have to do is look at video reviews like this one:

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[Azimech]

I like how this looks:

[Anvilfolk]

I still can't believe the way people are overreacting. It's like MG are purposefully trying to screw us. Sort of like they are expecting Oleg Maddox to think there's lots of money for the taking in fooling the WWII combat flight simulator community...

I mean, the industry standard is to shovel out copies of the same games over and over, and release at best a couple of minor fixes until the game is discontinued. So here's this team of people working for years on something that noone else wants to work on, as they have done for the past 10 years with one of your favourite products. They're doing this out of sheer passion, who knows under what difficult and stressful circumstances, to bring you the opportunity of reliving the period you love so dearly in so much more immersion, and all you can do is whine and cancel preorders as if an initial release means anything.

So, take a step back... and grow the heck up. At the very least, show some respect for the people who've done nothing short of continuous, amazing work on your favourite products for a decade.



My pre-order's staying no matter what - even if CloD turns out to be a huge botch, which it won't, I'll at least feel I've somehow contributed a bit more to the developers of the simulator I keep coming to time and time again, for countless hundreds of hours, like no other game has ever managed to do.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Anvilfolk

I still can't believe the way people are overreacting. It's like MG are purposefully trying to screw us. Sort of like they are expecting Oleg Maddox to think there's lots of money for the taking in fooling the WWII combat flight simulator community...

I mean, the industry standard is to shovel out copies of the same games over and over, and release at best a couple of minor fixes until the game is discontinued. So here's this team of people working for years on something that noone else wants to work on, as they have done for the past 10 years with one of your favourite products. They're doing this out of sheer passion, who knows under what difficult and stressful circumstances, to bring you the opportunity of reliving the period you love so dearly in so much more immersion, and all you can do is whine and cancel preorders as if an initial release means anything.

So, take a step back... and grow the heck up. At the very least, show some respect for the people who've done nothing short of continuous, amazing work on your favourite products for a decade.



My pre-order's staying no matter what - even if CloD turns out to be a huge botch, which it won't, I'll at least feel I've somehow contributed a bit more to the developers of the simulator I keep coming to time and time again, for countless hundreds of hours, like no other game has ever managed to do.

Well said.