Congratulations Jaguar!!!

[ATAG_Bliss]

I read exactly what you said. You tried to make a jab at something you clearly don't know anything about it.

I will not be putting my car on a chassis dyno. 2000HP cars are hard pressed to not light up the rollers. Please take this information in. Again, you may learn something.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

dude, can you read?! I said, you can tweak a stock Mustang to..... it was sarcastic anyway, got it? lol

Once again, it's all very cool, let us know when your dyno test results are available, ok?

And that's what you don't seem to get yet. You don't tweak a stock mustang at all. The only thing left on the car that's mustang is parts of the unibody.

That's like saying you tweak John Force's NHRA mustang funny car and say it's a mustang. The only thing mustang about it is a word that says mustang. Clearly you're are unable to comprehend much of anything.

I'm sorry, but talking to someone like you is a complete waste of time. I do hope that you gain some sort of automotive knowledge some day. Maybe you can get away with stuff you type here because most people on this forum aren't gear heads/know much about cars and/or racing. But to say some of the stuff you say here on a car enthusiast site, you would get laughed out of the room by every body there.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I read exactly what you said. You tried to make a jab at something you clearly don't know anything about it.

I will not be putting my car on a chassis dyno. 2000HP cars are hard pressed to not light up the rollers. Please take this information in. Again, you may learn something.

oh it's 2000HP now? It was 2500HP some posts ago! Man that Mustang of yours is crazy!

So now it's so powerful we can't actually measure that bad boy uh?

Seriously now, I'm sure your car is a beastie on a drag race, but claiming HP which in reality are just a guess is kinda hard to take for good, no matter how experienced you are, don't you think?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

And that's what you don't seem to get yet. You don't tweak a stock mustang at all. The only thing left on the car that's mustang is parts of the unibody.

That's like saying you tweak John Force's NHRA mustang funny car and say it's a mustang. The only thing mustang about it is a word that says mustang. Clearly you're are unable to comprehend much of anything.

I'm sorry, but talking to someone like you is a complete waste of time. I do hope that you gain some sort of automotive knowledge some day. Maybe you can get away with stuff you type here because most people on this forum aren't gear heads/know much about cars and/or racing. But to say some of the stuff you say here on a car enthusiast site, you would get laughed out of the room by every body there.

hey I'm no engineer but I figured as much thank you, I was just pulling your leg (again, please do refer to the definition of sarcasm I provided you with some posts ago). So your Mustang is in fact not a Mustang, it's... what is it exactly? Ah yes, it's a car you've built yourself!

I'm sure that if we went on an automotive forum and you claimed you need no dyno test to know how many HP your car produces, because you know by looking at the engine, the one that gets laughed out of the room will be you, Charlie.. in fact you know what? I'll show this convo to a couple of automotive forums I'm subscribed to, we often share the sort of comedy you produced for us here today, thank you!

It's like saying: "Hey I'm the finest dancer...in my mind".. I mean don't you really really see how ludicrous your claim is?

uh and to wrap this up, I'm done with this for real, you made your point, I made mine, happy with the "agree to disagree" finale here..

[ATAG_Bliss]

For the love of god please read this for the final time.

A 2000HP car is hard pressed to go on the rollers of a chassis dyno. So one can conclude from there a similar car built for the same series of drag racing pegs a dyno with a single turbo that a car with a very similar build but with 2 turbos instead will easily make an additional 500 HP. So to recap. At 2000HP you're lucky to get any sort of accurate chassis dyno run. About the only thing you can do is set A/F and timing. HP numbers will be skewed. But I use a dual wideband setup and a FAST acq setup to tune my own car with. Meaning I don't need to spend money on a chassis dyno for the only thing I need it for. I'm not in the least bit worried about the HP. Combinations like mine have been running around for well over 5 years now. IE - HP numbers will be similar without a shed of doubt.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

For the love of god please read this for the final time.

A 2000HP car is hard pressed to go on the rollers of a chassis dyno. So one can conclude from there a similar car built for the same series of drag racing pegs a dyno with a single turbo that a car with a very similar build but with 2 turbos instead will easily make an additional 500 HP. So to recap. At 2000HP you're lucky to get any sort of accurate chassis dyno run. About the only thing you can do is set A/F and timing. HP numbers will be skewed. But I use a dual wideband setup and a FAST acq setup to tune my own car with. Meaning I don't need to spend money on a chassis dyno for the only thing I need it for. I'm not in the least bit worried about the HP. Combinations like mine have been running around for well over 5 years now. IE - HP numbers will be similar without a shed of doubt.

I understand. And you drive that everyday right? Like to go get milk, medicines etc... boy that must draw SO much attention!

[ATAG_Bliss]

Here's a SSO car going to the drive through at burger king with snow on the ground. I will drive it on the street when everything is setup. These are very tame cars until you step on it.

Edit: forgot to mention this was in Detroit. Not exactly a small city.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD65zFt6IiY

[Sternjaeger II]

you're also getting a wheelchair strapped to the back of yours?

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

They don't, or better, they do a different kind of engineering R&D, which then gets applied to production cars. Don't forget that Ferrari is part of the FIAT group.

"They don't" and "different" are mutually exclusive.

Regardless, feel free to explain how the engineering R&D of the racing programs of Ford, GM, Toyota, etc. that then gets applied to production cars is different from Ferrari's operation?

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you keep on accusing me of what you do man. I told you before..

No you didn't. You haven't said ANYTHING of substance to support your delusion that Ferraris are "engineering marvels". Show me ANYWHERE on the net that says Ferraris are not riddled with maintenance issues and are stupidly expensive to own.

Show me ANYTHING that contradicts what I've said. All you have posted is your opinion.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Have you had a look on how the latest generation Ferrari are designed? Or the new 4wd system introduced with the Ferrari FF? Come on man, Ferrari's engineering solutions have been envied and copied by so many others for decades!

Yes I have. Pretty sweet I must say. Nearly every major manufacturer can say the same thing about technology licenses. So what.

And apparently there is a need to say, once again, I have never dissed Ferrari's performance engineering in ANY of my posts.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you're nitpicking, and they're turning the new GT into a stupid muscle car only good on a straight line (actually it can't even go on a straight line..).

You do realize that the "newest" Ford GT is a 2006 model right?

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you're generalising just like you're accusing me of doing, yet....

Feel free to explain where I have provided insufficient detail to support my position. I'm all ears.

I should not reiterate but I will. You have failed to respond specifically to a single question I have posted. You have not rebutted a single point of mine with, as I said before, anything other than an opinion.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

So you're happy to put up with an (alleged) bitch of a car for looks and as an investment? Interesting..

No, it's not an "alleged" bitch, it's a bonafide bitch. Why do you think the, "if you have to ask how much the maintenance costs...", joke is repeated about a zillion times in every Ferrari owner's forum?

--Outlaw.

[Sternjaeger II]

Outlaw, you're doing a game of semantics here, which is pretty much trolling..

But hey, in order to satisfy your curiosity (so you will have something to talk about when you buy your Ferrari):

Ferrari was the inventor of the F1 gearbox, of carbon-ceramic brakes, F1-derived traction control, the e-diff.. and let's not even go in the field of aerodynamics..

They're cars of exquisite craftsmanship, and although not all of them are 100% perfect, apart for some faulty components that have been enhanced, the reliability issue is also due to the way owners drive these cars. These are no "turn the key and go" Prius, these cars need to be warmed up properly and driven with a different attitude.

If you're really getting yourself a 328 make sure you have a thorough understanding of how the old Ferrari gearboxes work, or you'd be in for some bad surprises and costly bills for sure.

The main thing I've noticed with Ferrari owners is that the "newcomers" always look at the fact they bought a Ferrari and are very hyped about it, but don't understand that they also need to get themselves a huge load of experience in driving a sports car together with it. Every car will get damaged or will suffer breakdowns if it's manhandled, and cars like older Ferraris, with no rev limiters, stability control and all the new gizmos they come with, are particularly prone because of the fact that they can be easily taken over the limits.