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09-10-2009, 09:31 PM
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believe it or not i find american government simpler than british government. also its cute that 20 states want to amancipate (is that the right word?) but its NEVER going to happen, they would fail instantly. but everyones vote DOESNT make a difference, I watched the last 3 elections, live, i stayed up all night, after a certain point, the votes that are STILL left to be cast in the west, dont matter, the race is run. I dont know how you'd go about fixing that, but the whole points system and is it seats, per state, i cant remember the proper term, is it tickets? damnit its late and im ill, but either way i watched the states turn as they were counted and verified in the obama race, and i believe that it was once they took ohio or somehwere like that, it became impossible for McCain to catch up... making any subsequent vote... worthless. just my understanding of it. is Glen Beck bought and paid for by the government? FOx he's on isnt it? clearly a moron hired either for a bet or simply to antagonise people to get a ratings reaction.... so im not buying bought out media. also the irish guy... cant rememebr his name (i know its not helpful) he's certainly not pro democrat and he still has a job and gets aired. but again intersting. 
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09-10-2009, 09:46 PM
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If they are in the media they are bought and paid for by someone, From Mikie Moore to Rush limBPuke, They need to go away. They need to quit changing history and twisting facts to make money. DESODE
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09-10-2009, 09:51 PM
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09-10-2009, 10:44 PM
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09-10-2009, 11:57 PM
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Obama is the manchurian canidate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate), groomed by our enemies, he is a muslim. He does not work, he does not sit behind that oval office desk and work like other presidents have. He is a puppet that is dictated to by his masters and when they have no more use for him they will kill him.
Every day he is giving a speech and that is about it, you never see him behind that desk working. Yea, what he says sounds nice, but it is all an act, because that is all he really is...an actor reading the dictated lines from teleprompters at every rally, speach, talk and function, because his masters will only allow him to read from the script that they have prepared for him....have you ever heard the guy talk without a teleprompter? He is a complete babbling idiot without the script. People say that he is brilliant because he has a law degree from Harvard. Really, so then what cases did he argue, what great things did he achieve as a lawyer? Yes, he may have the education, but as a lawyer he is largely unaccomplished. It sickens me to see people idolize him like he is a God and it sickens me that he encourages people to idolize him like a God. I find him lacking and transparent and am saddened that he is gaining a cult like status amongst the youth much like Hitler did. It seems people are afraid to question him and when they do, then they have to fear for their political, financial and personal future, eg Joe the plumber and now Mr. Wilson for calling him a liar in his speech last night. I am sick of the pussyfooting and want somebody to call it like it is. The health care bill is not going to work and in fact its real purpose is to further push the US into a chasm of Debt from which it cannot possibly rebound. Once, the US is completely bankrupt and its creditors (China, the Saudis & the Russians) pull the plug on debt lending, the US will be offered a chance to dissolve into the European Union along with Mexico and Canada. Its brilliant really, you see you cannot defeat the US in a military War, we are too good for that and far to aggressive as a people, but you can defeat us from the inside out. Exploit our weakness, which is our affinity for over extending our pocketbooks. No, if Obama really wanted to help our country he would be focusing on the economy, help people get jobs, help people make money, help our country repay its debt and then use that surplus to help people get better health care. If Obama, really wanted to help our country he would back off the CIA and let them do their job. If Obama really wanted to help our country he wouldn't punish small business owners. I could go on and on, but the fact is Obama is not here to help the United States of America, he is here to lead us into financial ruin and leave us exposed for some nuclear bombs. His purpose is to flatten and end the United States of America and I fear he is getting closer and closer to his errr his master's goal.
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09-11-2009, 03:40 AM
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 ) but it's too little, too late. Reaganomics and the repeal of the Bretton Woods agreement have already done too much damage. As far as I can tell, the USA has started the long, slow process of entropic decay and there's nothing left that can be done about it. By the way, Desode has absolutely no idea what he's talking about when it comes to health care. My brother knocked a dagger off its stand in his room last year and it fell and stabbed him in the thigh. It didn't go in deep enough to damage anything, so he just needed stitches. Even after the insurance paid for most of it, it still cost us over TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS! This was a procedure a WWI field medic could have preformed and it cost over a grand! I'm sorry, anyone who thinks that the US health care system isn't completely broken has their head in the clouds (or more likely up their ass). So anyways, you know the oft touted expression, "This is AMERICA. If you don't like it, GET OUT!"? Well, I think that's a f**king good idea!
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09-11-2009, 03:44 AM
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Oh and back on topic, I'm pretty sure the stories of Soviet penal gunner units are bunk. I read an article on the historicity (yes, that's a word) of this a few years back, but I can't remember where. It was well researched and the sources were reliable, though.
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09-11-2009, 04:32 AM
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LOL You crack me up man, You want to see the Xrays or some pictures of my Leg ? I have had 5 major surgeory's (over 12 hrs long each )and went through 8 rounds of chemo and those rounds of chemo lasted 2 weeks long each for 24 hrs a day , and then I would be deathly ill for a month then start my next round. I have over $732 thousand dollars in surgeory, Don't insult me by telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, I have no debt and have never paid a single cent for a single medical bill. You must live in a differnt america then I do , or your brother doesn't have the brains of a fly or still lives with his parents and they make to much money for him to get his shit paid for, by the state. That or he didn't go to his local job and family services and apply for the state to pay it. Desode
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09-11-2009, 07:04 AM
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It seems to me that the American dream is over or even has become an American nightmare. The upcoming civil war you mentioned appears to be a very real threat considering all that I have read here. Apart from that, no matter if the pot that pays your medical bill is called state tax or social insurance - basically it is built up on the solidarity of the ones who require less than they pay for. I am quite healthy and surely paid more for my health insurance than I ever got out of it; sometimes it pisses me off, but still I would not like to have another system. I don't know what happens tomorrow and if I happened to have cancer I would not have to fill in a single form to get my medical treatment covered, I just show them my social insurance card that everyone has and that's it. Correct me if I'm wrong - as I get it from the News, Obama wants to introduce a federal health insurance to compete with the private insurance companies that are ripping off their customers. Under the current system the insurance companies sometimes reject customers due to high risk of illness or even cancel existing contracts when the going gets tough. If it is that way - what can you have against it? Ill people shouldn't have to beg or to fill in any forms to get treatment.
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09-11-2009, 08:52 AM
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None of these clauses—or any others found in the Constitution—gives Congress the power to create a government healthcare system. The “General Welfare” clause gives Congress the power “To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.” This clause is not a grant of power to Congress. It is a limit to a power given to Congress. It limits the purpose for which Congress can lay and collect taxes. During the founding, some Anti-Federalists were concerned that this clause “amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defence or general welfare.” But James Madison, the “Father of the Constitution,” explained very clearly that it granted no power to Congress. If the “General Welfare” clause gives Congress the power to promote the general welfare, then why specifically list the other powers in Article I, such as the power to establish post offices and post roads, or to coin money? Wouldn’t it be redundant to list them? In short, as Madison argued, Congress derives no power from the general welfare clause, which merely serves to limit Congress’s power to lay and collect taxes. Congress can only do so for purposes of common defense or general welfare, in the service of the powers granted to it elsewhere in Article I. Second, “Necessary and Proper” gives Congress the power “to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States.” Like the general welfare clause, this clause was not a stand-alone grant of power to Congress. Rather, it authorizes Congress to make laws that are necessary (and also proper) to make the other grants of authority in Article I effectual. In other words, the necessary and proper clause cannot itself authorize national public health insurance. One would have to show that national public health insurance is necessary and proper to execute some other power granted in the Constitution.This puts the proponents of nationalized healthcare back where they started. Lastly, proponents might argue that national health insurance is part of Congress power “to regulate commerce…among the several states.” While progressives have often used this clause to expand the federal government, it does not apply especially to the creation of a national health insurance, because to create and engage in commerce is not the same thing as regulating commerce among the several states. Nobody during the framing generation expected the commerce clause to expand the federal government’s authority to anything relating to or resembling commerce. James Madison wrote that it is a power “which few oppose, and from which no apprehensions are entertained.” The clause was designed to prevent some states from taxing goods that passed through their boundaries as those goods proceeded to market. In case, proponents of government healthcare latch on to another clause, the three clauses above and rest of Constitution are explained in depth in the Heritage Guide to the Constitution . Of course, most progressive advocates of national health insurance are unconcerned whether the Constitution authorizes such a law when a pseudo-constitutional reasoning to reach the desired result will suffice. I personally think we may see this go before the Supreme court. Who knows ? All I know is I don't want the Federal government in my health care, They have never done anything right, Everything they do here in america is messed up. Its always really bad, there is so much red tape and loop holes and one thing after another, its just a mess, and everything they do looses money !! EVERYTHING ! They have never ever made anything profitable. If America was small like Canada or some other countries , yes it may work and work well, But America is to large for it to ever work. Its to much for one government to control, and if they do it, then there is no way to stop them from taking even more control in the future. We are already sliding down a insane slippery hill with what has been done in the last 10 years, Example Look at Bush's Patriot act. Now that thats in place, it will eventualy be used for Bad purposes against the American people. Heck it already is being used in a horrible way. On top of it all , WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. Its to the point here in America that our dollar is almost worth nothing anymore, and every time the Government spends more money it drops even farther. Is the health care system so far gone that its worth bankrupting our country ? You got to take that into consideration. We could make heavy reforms and drop the cost of health care and not sacrifice our country. Why is that not even being considered ? Please someone tell me WHY !! If your from another country then you know how much the falling of our countries money and financial market effects the world markets. Yeah they say that it will make more competition and lower costs, but how do you compete with the government cost ? If you run a buisness and you pay health insurance on your workers ,,, and the Government starts taxing you to pay for National Government health care, Why would you keep paying your private insurance ? That would be stupid , your paying more taxes for the National health insurance so why pay twice for the same thing ? That would just be plain bad buisness. There is no way that it will create competition. It will end Private health care and private insurance. There is no way around it. America's last great job industry is health care based insurance. It makes up almost 30% of the jobs in america. Now America is lossing jobs like crazy. Right now we have the highest unemployment rate in decades and its getting worse by the week. What happens to that 30% when All the employers in America say " Well Shit I ain't going to pay All these taxes for national Health care and not use it ?" Say good bye to even more jobs in America. Because that 30% is going to get hammered with job loss. More job loss means less money put in the free market, That means higer prices on everything, And lets not forget the falling dollar. So now your paying more for everything and your money is worth less, How is this helping anything really ? We still aren't even taking into consideration the burden that National health care TAX is going to put on America's Small buisness's. How many people are they going to have to lay off or how many people are going to have to close their buisness because of this Tax ? Plus How is national health care going to create competition to make leaps in medicine. If the government takes over the health care system then where is all the money going to come from for medical research ? Is the Government then going to tax us all to pay for that ? Constitutional law aside. People just don't understand all the problems it will create else where in America and not just here but in the entire world financial system. Have you ever stopped to think what country makes the most ground breaking developments in medicine ? Look it up some time. Who is the world leader in medical advancement ? Just my opinion , Desode DESODE
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