Communism at its best...

[House MD 221B]

lol watch michael moore's Sicko, he is a tool, but the film is interesting, take it with a pinch of salt.

universal healthcare was made to look like socialism, and of course the big reds were scary due to political propoganda, and even regan was involved with spreading the fear of universal healthcare.

its a very interesting topic. but it works for us, canada, and france, and many other coutries.

thats why the republicans will stop at NOTHING to bring up bollocks like death panels and socialised medicine. because most of them are in the pocket of insurance companies.

as i said, watch Sicko, its good. if not a little over-sentimentalised, but it is aimed at the lowest common denominator of the american population.

[Chips86]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

the lowest common denominator of the american population.

That one phrase fills me with fear for the future.

[House MD 221B]

Originally Posted by Chips86

That one phrase fills me with fear for the future.

because its real name is "the american population"?

Was that the experiment where he had a guy with a broken leg treated in the US, Canada and Mexico? I read something about it some time ago - will watch it when I can get hold of it.

sort of, it goes through healthcare in detail, insurance companies and medical directors, and yes he takes 6 people to Cuba.

it also shows you which congressmen and women were bribed by the insurance companies.

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

lol watch michael moore's Sicko, he is a tool, but the film is interesting, take it with a pinch of salt.

Was that the experiment where he had a guy with a broken leg treated in the US, Canada and Mexico? I read something about it some time ago - will watch it when I can get hold of it.

[Desode]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

lol watch michael moore's Sicko, he is a tool, but the film is interesting, take it with a pinch of salt.

universal healthcare was made to look like socialism, and of course the big reds were scary due to political propoganda, and even regan was involved with spreading the fear of universal healthcare.

its a very interesting topic. but it works for us, canada, and france, and many other coutries.

thats why the republicans will stop at NOTHING to bring up bollocks like death panels and socialised medicine. because most of them are in the pocket of insurance companies.

as i said, watch Sicko, its good. if not a little over-sentimentalised, but it is aimed at the lowest common denominator of the american population.

Guess what if you lived here you would understand why we don't need universal healthcare. Its a waste of money ! The states have the best health care system in the world. If you need anything you get the best of the best and you get to pick any doctor to go to. Trust me I was unisured and I am a 9 year cancer survivor, of stage 3 Bone cancer. I would be dead right now if we had Obama's plan when I got sick. There is no doubt about it. I could have never had my choice of the best doctors and I would be dead. So F**k National health care. It will do nothing but Kill the poor and give them less choice. When your sick in america and your uninsured, You can go to any doctor in the united states and they will treat you with best of care, and all you have to do is fill out some paper work and you will never have to pay a single cent. Its that simple and that EASY !!! Its a complete and total lie that its not that good. We just need to make some reform on the current system, and put some Crooks behind bars. We need to quit treating 38+ million illegals that are driving costs up, and we need to kill off the Unions because they are killing America and its buisness ecomomy.


PLUS,
This Scare tactic crap that people can't get help is a HUGE lie from the government. People don't want this and sad to say it but we will see a civil war over this if Obama keeps pushing.
I live in a little town and last month it was shut down for most of the day because there was over 8000+ people both Black and white protesting against it. Its happening everywhere in America. The news media is just so owned by the government that no one hears anything about it.

America is over 12 Trillion dollars in debt now ! and to top it off the government has never EVER done anything right , EVER !! why would anyone in their right mind want to let them run our healthcare ? I mean really thats just Pathetic. The states need to run their own buisness and then they can compete against each other and the best system will be shown. Our states are like small countries here in the US.

DESODE

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by Desode

Guess what if you lived here you would understand why we don't need universal healthcare. Its a waste of money ! The states have the best health care system in the world. If you need anything you get the best of the best and you get to pick any doctor to go to. Trust me I was unisured and I am a 9 year cancer survivor, of stage 3 Bone cancer. I would be dead right now if we had Obama's plan when I got sick. There is no doubt about it. I could have never had my choice of the best doctors and I would be dead. So F**k National health care. It will do nothing but Kill the poor and give them less choice. When your sick in america and your uninsured, You can go to any doctor in the united states and they will treat you with best of care, and all you have to do is fill out some paper work and you will never have to pay a single cent. Its that simple and that EASY !!! Its a complete and total lie that its not that good. We just need to make some reform on the current system, and put some Crooks behind bars. We need to quit treating 38+ million illegals that are driving costs up, and we need to kill off the Unions because they are killing America and its buisness ecomomy.


PLUS,
This Scare tactic crap that people can't get help is a HUGE lie from the government. People don't want this and sad to say it but we will see a civil war over this if Obama keeps pushing.
I live in a little town and last month it was shut down for most of the day because there was over 8000+ people both Black and white protesting against it. Its happening everywhere in America. The news media is just so owned by the government that no one hears anything about it.

America is over 12 Trillion dollars in debt now ! and to top it off the government has never EVER done anything right , EVER !! why would anyone in their right mind want to let them run our healthcare ? I mean really thats just Pathetic. The states need to run their own buisness and then they can compete against each other and the best system will be shown. Our states are like small countries here in the US.

DESODE

Wow, I need to understand this. No offense, just curiosity!

You are uninsured, fill some forms and get cured of cancer.

So who paid for the treatment? A private company? Who gave them the money? Is it magic?

No irony/sarcasm/whatever - I just have to know how that system works, nobody seems to know about that over here in Europe.

[Desode]

Originally Posted by H Lecter

Wow, I need to understand this. No offense, just curiosity!

You are uninsured, fill some forms and get cured of cancer.

So who paid for the treatment? A private company? Who gave them the money? Is it magic?

No irony/sarcasm/whatever - I just have to know how that system works, nobody seems to know about that over here in Europe.

State tax, and then Federal Social security tax. Then each state has Tons of Non profit organizations that have funds set up at each hospital, to help people also. The real problem is that the average person, doesn't know how to use the system.
See my state of Ohio is changings since the Democrates took over. Now I'm neither a Dem or a Rep, so please don't think I'm coming from a side in any way.
That said the Dems changed Ohios state health funding to Quote" Save money" Now what did they do ? They set up what is called state HMO's These are insurance companies that if your under state health insurance you have to pick a HMO. The problem is Every doctor, is all Union Doctors. Your choice is now limited and they spend more money then ever now.
Example: In order for me to go and see my Surgeon, who is in the best 10% in the world, I have to now, go see 3 Union doctors and have them sign a piece of paper saying yes he can go see his surgeon. Now The state has to pay each of those 3 doctors $800 each just for a signature for me to see my doctor who is not a Union Doctor. So here in Ohio the Dems they created a massive paper trail that costs them more money just so they can keep the Union support.

Back to your main question, we also have what is called Workmans compensation insurance. So any employer has to pay into this insurance, if you get hurt on the job, and are uninsued you are insured by your employers insurance. If you aren't employed when you get sick then the state has special funds set aside from Gambling tax, Alcohol, and tabbaco tax, to take care of you.
So the cost of my treatment came from all four, State Tax, that I have been paying since birth, Federal Social security tax that I have been paying to the Government for 30 + years, and Workmans Compensation insurance that my employer payed, and Non profits organaztions that provided me with Medications.
Desode

[Desode]

What we really need here is reform,
There are states here in the USA that are running their state buisness so well that even with "Americas ecomomic troubles", they are in such great shape that they have a Surplus of Money ! The problem is that the Govenment is now saying to them, Hey you are doing to well and you have managed your state better then other states so you need to suffer for doing good so we can take your money and give it to the states that are having problems.

The problem with this is ,,that in doing so the Government is killing that state that has done well, and has managed their system perfectly.

Under the United states constitution the Federal government doesn't have the athority to do that.

Thats why we have almost 20 states that have threatened leaving the United states of america. When these states joined the United states they signed a contract with the federal government, and that contract says, that they are free to run their own buisness and in return they will pay a percentage of their total State tax to the federal government. Since Bush and now Obama are both going against these old agreements and ignoring the Constitution of the United States, We are on a verge of civil war.

Then we have the News and Tv and they are now bought and paid for by the government so the American people don't know really now what is going on. All over the US people are now not getting any real news so they are using the internet to look up and study the Constitution, and Lots of them are Pissed that the Government is trying to run everything, and they aren't going to take it anymore.
That is what is really happening here in America. See this country has 150 yrs of great prosperity, based on the Constitution and the states running their own affiars, This in turn, made competition between the states and the best finacial plans came to the top. The bad plans and the states that made the bad choices suffer till the people in that state elect a change of state leadership.

Its meant to be this way because then everyones vote makes a real difference and each state and its people live, learn and grow and change for the better.
Now that the Government is over stepping its bounds and spending OUR money like its going out of style , they have come to the conclusion that they need more money and they are stepping on the constitution by telling the states what to do. Some Americans don't understand that in giving the Federal Government this kind of power they are silencing their own voice. Because the more the Government runs the country and the states, then the less the people's vote means.

I hope you get what I'm saying, I can only imagine how strange it is to understand our system.
DESODE

[House MD 221B]

Originally Posted by Desode

What we really need here is reform,
There are states here in the USA that are running their state buisness so well that even with "Americas ecomomic troubles", they are in such great shape that they have a Surplus of Money ! The problem is that the Govenment is now saying to them, Hey you are doing to well and you have managed your state better then other states so you need to suffer for doing good so we can take your money and give it to the states that are having problems.

The problem with this is ,,that in doing so the Government is killing that state that has done well, and has managed their system perfectly.

Under the United states constitution the Federal government doesn't have the athority to do that.

Thats why we have almost 20 states that have threatened leaving the United states of america. When these states joined the United states they signed a contract with the federal government, and that contract says, that they are free to run their own buisness and in return they will pay a percentage of their total State tax to the federal government. Since Bush and now Obama are both going against these old agreements and ignoring the Constitution of the United States, We are on a verge of civil war.

Then we have the News and Tv and they are now bought and paid for by the government so the American people don't know really now what is going on. All over the US people are now not getting any real news so they are using the internet to look up and study the Constitution, and Lots of them are Pissed that the Government is trying to run everything, and they aren't going to take it anymore.
That is what is really happening here in America. See this country has 150 yrs of great prosperity, based on the Constitution and the states running their own affiars, This in turn, made competition between the states and the best finacial plans came to the top. The bad plans and the states that made the bad choices suffer till the people in that state elect a change of state leadership.

Its meant to be this way because then everyones vote makes a real difference and each state and its people live, learn and grow and change for the better.
Now that the Government is over stepping its bounds and spending OUR money like its going out of style , they have come to the conclusion that they need more money and they are stepping on the constitution by telling the states what to do. Some Americans don't understand that in giving the Federal Government this kind of power they are silencing their own voice. Because the more the Government runs the country and the states, then the less the people's vote means.

I hope you get what I'm saying, I can only imagine how strange it is to understand our system.
DESODE

believe it or not i find american government simpler than british government. also its cute that 20 states want to amancipate (is that the right word?) but its NEVER going to happen, they would fail instantly.

but everyones vote DOESNT make a difference, I watched the last 3 elections, live, i stayed up all night, after a certain point, the votes that are STILL left to be cast in the west, dont matter, the race is run. I dont know how you'd go about fixing that, but the whole points system and is it seats, per state, i cant remember the proper term, is it tickets? damnit its late and im ill, but either way i watched the states turn as they were counted and verified in the obama race, and i believe that it was once they took ohio or somehwere like that, it became impossible for McCain to catch up... making any subsequent vote... worthless.

just my understanding of it.

is Glen Beck bought and paid for by the government? FOx he's on isnt it? clearly a moron hired either for a bet or simply to antagonise people to get a ratings reaction.... so im not buying bought out media. also the irish guy... cant rememebr his name (i know its not helpful) he's certainly not pro democrat and he still has a job and gets aired.

but again intersting.

[Desode]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

believe it or not i find american government simpler than british government. also its cute that 20 states want to amancipate (is that the right word?) but its NEVER going to happen, they would fail instantly.

but everyones vote DOESNT make a difference, I watched the last 3 elections, live, i stayed up all night, after a certain point, the votes that are STILL left to be cast in the west, dont matter, the race is run. I dont know how you'd go about fixing that, but the whole points system and is it seats, per state, i cant remember the proper term, is it tickets? damnit its late and im ill, but either way i watched the states turn as they were counted and verified in the obama race, and i believe that it was once they took ohio or somehwere like that, it became impossible for McCain to catch up... making any subsequent vote... worthless.

just my understanding of it.

is Glen Beck bought and paid for by the government? FOx he's on isnt it? clearly a moron hired either for a bet or simply to antagonise people to get a ratings reaction.... so im not buying bought out media. also the irish guy... cant rememebr his name (i know its not helpful) he's certainly not pro democrat and he still has a job and gets aired.

but again intersting.

I don't know who Beck is ? I don't watch the news of any kind much.
If they are in the media they are bought and paid for by someone, From Mikie Moore to Rush limBPuke, They need to go away. They need to quit changing history and twisting facts to make money.

DESODE