Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[csThor]

Don't think this is going to happen, Alien. After all Maddox Games does want to sell SoW-BoB next year and so I guess they won't allow in-house competition. After all realistic maps of the Channel and the MTO have not been allowed by Maddox Games when they still supported people like Ian Boys.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by csThor

Don't think this is going to happen, Alien. After all Maddox Games does want to sell SoW-BoB next year and so I guess they won't allow in-house competition. After all realistic maps of the Channel and the MTO have not been allowed by Maddox Games when they still supported people like Ian Boys.

It makes sense to me, but I doubt that Il2 could really represent any competition against SOW Battle of Britain. If our old game is going to have a role, it will only be for Il2’s hard to beat variety in planes and theaters. SOW planes will require much more labor to be modeled as compared to low-poly Il2 models (not to mention internal structure, plus 2048 voids and skins against 1024). So, it looks that we’ll have a future with better but less numerous flyable planes, unless much more peoples are involved. It’s there, I think, that Il2 still can have value, and that Daidalus can have a big role. Organizing people to work together, disciplining their work to a definite quality standard, honing their skills are all big values today for revitalize Il2, and tomorrow in developing SOW.

To return back on topic, I would suggest some small improvements for the existing planes. Nothing to do with DM or FM, but simple retouches that could conceivably be entrusted to less experienced people, and that can represent a very important training tool.
For example, some small retouches are all is needed to complete the Yak line.
1) Half round windows behind the sliding canopy for the late production Yak1 (built in much more examples than the early type we have).
2) A second cockpit and reduced armament for the two seat Yak 7 - Yak 7UTI.
3) The same and a fixed landing gear for the Yak 7V.
4) A 37 mm cannon through propeller spinner for the Yak 7-37.
5) Yak 7 wing mated to an early Yak 9 fuselage for the late production Yak 7B.

I see also space for small but important correction in uv-mapping for skins. For example, to some annoying superimpositions between fuselage side and antenna mast for the Lavochkins, or between lower nose and windshield area in I-16.

[KG26_Alpha]

Furio

IL2 1946

Small retouches

I think it needs a complete major overhaul, there's far too many problems with the thing, retouching a cockpit here and there is like repainting the Titanic.

Ballistics, FM and DM needs a rework on a lot of aircraft before doing any cosmetic work.

If Oleg was to approve Daidalos for the above I'm sure they would undertake this important "update" before any graphical changes.

Also adding more content would be pointless as seen in the past, nothing gets fixed just more errors put into the sim making it worse, hopefully with Daidalus were could get the glaring problems fixed before any thing else is done.

I don't want to particularly mention specific problems so as not to sound biased myself but a simple example would be to fix the He111 ground handling that they broke for example

[Furio]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Furio

IL2 1946

Small retouches

I think it needs a complete major overhaul, there's far too many problems with the thing, retouching a cockpit here and there is like repainting the Titanic.

Ballistics, FM and DM needs a rework on a lot of aircraft before doing any cosmetic work.

If Oleg was to approve Daidalus for the above I'm sure they would undertake this important "update" before any graphical changes.

Also adding more content would be pointless as seen in the past, nothing gets fixed just more errors put into the sim making it worse, hopefully with Daidalus were could get the glaring problems fixed before any thing else is done.

I don't want to particularly mention specific problems so as not to sound biased myself but a simple example would be to fix the He111 ground handling that they broke for example

Kg Alpha, you’re entirely right, of course.
But I see a difference, now, and I hope not to be overly optimistic. For the first time ever (as far as I know) there is an external entity (Daidalus) that reaches an agreement with 1C to continue Il2 development. They must have demonstrated technical ability, sound organization and reliability enough to complete a fully-fledged add-on and obtain such a full endorsement by Oleg himself. With time, they will gain more autonomy and more decisional latitude, up to the point that they will possibly tackle the complete overhaul of which you talk about. But they would not want to appear as changing Oleg’s philosophy. In this process, while they strengthen their technical background, we must show patience, I think, and appreciation.
For this reason I’m asking for small things first, even if they look somewhat unimportant.
For this reason I hope they can recruit new people.
And, finally, for this reason I encourage them as much as I can.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Furio

IL2 1946

Small retouches

I think it needs a complete major overhaul, there's far too many problems with the thing, retouching a cockpit here and there is like repainting the Titanic.

Well, the complete overhaul has a name - SoW I don't think that Daidalus will do more than wrapping up 4.09 and then put some additional lipstick on the stiff If they do just that, I will be content...

[Furio]

Originally Posted by mazex

Well, the complete overhaul has a name - SoW I don't think that Daidalus will do more than wrapping up 4.09 and then put some additional lipstick on the stiff If they do just that, I will be content...

Here I disagree . SOW it’ll be an entirely new game, of a completely different class. Much can be done to refine Il2, but, like you, I’ll be happy of any improvement Daidalus will do.

One thing i cannot understand is this, if we do get the 4.09 patch which we assume is going to be free then who is paying the staff at Daidalus? Surely they aren't doing it for the love of the sim, especially when SOW is allegedly knocking on the door. Of course if they are doing the 4.09 patch and then hope to release paid add ons later then they must know something about SOW that we dont otherwise it would be financial suicide to get involved in a project that is soon to be superceeded. So the big question is, who is financially supporting Daidalus?

[Bulgarian]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

So the big question is, who is financially supporting Daidalus?

Noone.
And yes,we're doing it because of "the love to this sim".

I don't know where from you people are managing to dig up such yellow news.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

One thing i cannot understand is this, if we do get the 4.09 patch which we assume is going to be free then who is paying the staff at Daidalus? Surely they aren't doing it for the love of the sim, especially when SOW is allegedly knocking on the door. Of course if they are doing the 4.09 patch and then hope to release paid add ons later then they must know something about SOW that we dont otherwise it would be financial suicide to get involved in a project that is soon to be superceeded. So the big question is, who is financially supporting Daidalus?

If I understand, you are suggesting that Daidalus people are gambling on SOW failure to sell other add-ons for Il2. In my opinion it is highly improbable.
I see other three possibilities:
1) Someone is paying Daidalus people’s work, and only time will tell if it’s good or bad business.
2) Nobody is paying them, and they are people willing to work for free to keep going a game that has exhausted its commercial value, a thing already happened for Red Baron, to cite a case.
3) Daidalus and 1C have reached an agreement which is entirely their business.