Campaigns as Axis?

[David603]

Jeez, we aren't talking about a campaign where you directly helped Nazi's to kill Jews. What we are talking about is a set of missions as a German pilot. All the older PC Il2s have campaigns where you can play as Axis pilots.

Besides, you want to know which nation that you can play in campaign is guilty of worse war crimes than the Germans? Thats right, the Russians.

[versapak]

A campagin implies to me story, and there is no Nazi story deserving of being told from their side.

Now setting up single missions with generic goals in a Nazi plane, is totally different.

[David603]

So, by your standards, there is no campaign mode in Il2 Birds of Prey. Just a series of generic missions strung together with no background story.

And don't you understand, there is no such thing as clear cut black and white good vs evil in war, just shades of grey. At a guess, there won't be a mission where American or British bombers carpet bomb a city either.

[versapak]

Originally Posted by David603

So, by your standards, there is no campaign mode in Il2 Birds of Prey. Just a series of generic missions strung together with no background story.

How do you figure that?

Even in the demo there was story.

[wannabetheace]

Originally Posted by David603

Jeez, we aren't talking about a campaign where you directly helped Nazi's to kill Jews. What we are talking about is a set of missions as a German pilot. All the older PC Il2s have campaigns where you can play as Axis pilots.

Besides, you want to know which nation that you can play in campaign is guilty of worse war crimes than the Germans? Thats right, the Russians.

No u are big wrong,
US made the most evils than Russians,
Look, US bombers bombed and killed more civillians that Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined in German cities,
They are just civillians, and US now justifies thier bloody murder or holocaust.

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by wannabetheace

No u are big wrong,
US made the most evils than Russians,
Look, US bombers bombed and killed more civillians that Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined in German cities,
They are just civillians, and US now justifies thier bloody murder or holocaust.

actually those bombings were completely justified

If we had not bombed japan into submission millions of japanese people would have died

over a million US dead was a estimate

You see the japanese at the time believed that surrender would bring shame upon themselves and their families. They were being trained to defend every inch of japanese soil with at most sharp bamboo pikes and rocks. Children had drills at school to kill american soldiers. And women were told that GI's would rape and murder them on sight.

While we did kill alot of people in the bombings, it averted what could have possibly been the most horrific battle in human history and we saved more lives then we took.

just look at okinawa for example

[loopdreams]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

actually those bombings were completely justified

If we had not bombed japan into submission millions of japanese people would have died

I don't think historians are quite so unanimous about that. Many argue that Japan was already at the point of surrender and in any case did the US really have to choose such highly populated civilian areas to demonstrate the overwhelming might of their new weapon?

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by loopdreams

I don't think historians are quite so unanimous about that. Many argue that Japan was already at the point of surrender and in any case did the US really have to choose such highly populated civilian areas to demonstrate the overwhelming might of their new weapon?

no , we had to bomb them twice with nuclear weapons before they surrendered

And we bombed military targets , it just so happened that they were in cities

[P-51]

Yup unfortunately the american guy is wright... They attacked military places! (Im british)

[loopdreams]

I'm British too although I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. All I'm saying is that it remains a very controversial subject and the truth of what would have really happened had the US either not dropped any atomic bombs or had only dropped the first instead of following it up three days later is pretty much unknowable.