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Old 05-10-2009, 07:27 AM
Calinda Calinda is offline
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It is better if you can do the second, use sacrifice whereever you go, and obtain extra leadership from flags or whatever. Even mana potions come in handy when you deplete your mana and next battle is near. Another thing is, buy all available scrolls for sacrifice and use them as scrolls, they dont use up any mana then. For a fast run you don't want to return to any place without a serious reason, so leaving weak troops behind is not a good option.
Also a good advice is to finish battles with full rage, and as much mana as possible.
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:14 AM
Vilk Vilk is offline
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It is better if you can do the second, use sacrifice whereever you go, and obtain extra leadership from flags or whatever. Even mana potions come in handy when you deplete your mana and next battle is near. Another thing is, buy all available scrolls for sacrifice and use them as scrolls, they dont use up any mana then. For a fast run you don't want to return to any place without a serious reason, so leaving weak troops behind is not a good option.
Also a good advice is to finish battles with full rage, and as much mana as possible.
Do you remember where you get sacrifice? Also do you think you could do the record if you hadn't found it soon enough?
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:45 AM
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Do you remember where you get sacrifice? Also do you think you could do the record if you hadn't found it soon enough?
Spells are found random, you may find sacrifice + ressurection + hypnotize in swamp area or you may not find it anywhere in your game. Same with units. Starting out with no inquisitors means no free resses for you. Then you have to revert to zerg tactics and other, reducing your score because you have to go back for troops more often. Calinda's score is so high in part because of his/her luck with found spells (sacrifice) and items (tactics treatise, 2xdragon slayer sword), but still mostly because he/she just knows the game the best. Not having sacrifice and inquisitors in the starting areas probably would hurt the score though.
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:48 AM
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Heheh, good try to ask me if I remember where I found a spell in a game which I played 8-9 months ago And of course to get a good highscore you certainly need a better start than the average.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:42 AM
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Heheh, good try to ask me if I remember where I found a spell in a game which I played 8-9 months ago And of course to get a good highscore you certainly need a better start than the average.
Lol ok I hadn't realize it was so long ago, posts seem not that long ago but I certainly didn't quote well the dates.

I was wondering if Sacrifice was a quest reward of one rude quest or not, probably not.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:49 AM
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Very few things are fixed in this game. The biggest charm of KB:TL is that you can start a new game, check all available troops and items in start areas and then come up with a strategy depending on what is available to you. This allows for a great replay value. The downside of course is that if you want to go for high score, you might get unlucky. If score means nothing to you, you can clear the game on impossible on many different ways and not feeling like you're playing the same game twice.
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Old 05-10-2009, 12:05 PM
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Very few things are fixed in this game. The biggest charm of KB:TL is that you can start a new game, check all available troops and items in start areas and then come up with a strategy depending on what is available to you. This allows for a great replay value. The downside of course is that if you want to go for high score, you might get unlucky. If score means nothing to you, you can clear the game on impossible on many different ways and not feeling like you're playing the same game twice.
The score thing spoils a bit this approach and charm, until I get focused on score approach I was looking this random in a good way, not that much now.

This is mainly a problem of balance with some points that are too important. But also the time base reduce a lot the possibilities. But no idea on what else the score could be based. Clearly the time in battle could be count too. Or if not time based I don't see. Dead units reduce too much options.

The check you mention isn't that simple because you have to really play the game to know what you'll get. Check Calinda save and for example you won't find Sacrifice, it was eventually a battle chest drop. I made 20/25 tries like you suggest and found only 3 times Gift, only 3 times Sacrifice and never both at same time for a superficial check like that.
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Old 05-10-2009, 12:18 PM
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Spells are found random, you may find sacrifice + ressurection + hypnotize in swamp area or you may not find it anywhere in your game. Same with units. Starting out with no inquisitors means no free resses for you. Then you have to revert to zerg tactics and other, reducing your score because you have to go back for troops more often. Calinda's score is so high in part because of his/her luck with found spells (sacrifice) and items (tactics treatise, 2xdragon slayer sword), but still mostly because he/she just knows the game the best. Not having sacrifice and inquisitors in the starting areas probably would hurt the score though.
It's a bit extreme to say he knows the game the best because it did the best high score. But he certainly know it a lot better than most that is sure.

It's not obvious that there's so many requirements to do this score:
  • It's very very rare to not have any inquisitors, is this ever happen in first 4 area? Also you don't need them during character low levels.
  • For Treatise well reading Calinda comments it's perhaps one of the rare items required but starting the isles level 10, well I suspect this would not change the final score for players like him. Ok it doesn't only mean start isles level 10 but to do stuff with one level less at some points of the game until the islands or later in the game.
  • Resurrect is certainly not required just a good plus.
  • I wonder if Gift isn't required too and when, clearly you don't need it until fights get stronger.
  • I doubt any other items are required.
But yes, a lot of tactical knowledge is a requirement, as is certainly a lot of patience and dedication.

And yes sacrifice to save walking time is perhaps also a requirement to do the same high score. Inquisitor are clearly required later in the game. I had in mind Gift was more important to have asap in the game but now I realize that Sacrifice could be more important as you'll get enough inquisitors during first part of the game. But with a warrior this is more true because Inquisitor stack will be bigger than for a mage.
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:39 PM
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It's a bit extreme to say he knows the game the best because it did the best high score. But he certainly know it a lot better than most that is sure.
Well, he planned out his entire playthrough from start to finish to see the best and fastest route. Also, seeing as he posted a savegame vs ambrosius where he afterwards explained how he did it, it shows he has deep knowledge of how this game works.
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:57 PM
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Well, he planned out his entire playthrough from start to finish to see the best and fastest route. Also, seeing as he posted a savegame vs ambrosius where he afterwards explained how he did it, it shows he has deep knowledge of how this game works.
You didn't understand, That's clear that he rules and knows quite better the game than you and me.

I only wrote that he isn't necessary the best in this game knowledge.

For example I read some of his quotes about mage and he seems had some doubt about a mage doing it in 7 days but someone posted a mage score in 7 days with one quest less but still. Too bad the mage guys didn't post more as he played quite differently the game than Calinda does.
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