difference between R1: SC 500 and U3: SC 500?

[robtek]

u3 removes the guns, me thinks.

[KG26_Alpha]

The bomb rack isn't modelled to cause any effect in terms of performance.

[Anak]

actually, having ECT rack in early anton causes depending on model 20mph and wing racks bout 10mph additional loss in speed...

[rakinroll]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

The bomb rack isn't modelled to cause any effect in terms of performance.

Hello Alpha,
are you sure about that? Do you have any test results?

[KG26_Alpha]

Once the bomb is dropped the rack has no effect on drag.

This was discussed over 5-6 years ago with Oleg/1C team.

This thread has some discussion in 2004, some of the bugs were never fixed as far as I know.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...4971017542/p/1

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...0171#926100171

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5295#850105295

[rakinroll]

Thank you.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Once the bomb is dropped the rack has no effect on drag.

This was discussed over 5-6 years ago with Oleg/1C team.

This thread has some discussion in 2004, some of the bugs were never fixed as far as I know.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...4971017542/p/1

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...0171#926100171

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5295#850105295

Your statment is incorrect.. The A-4 through the A-6 suffer from the bomb rack when taking a bomb even after dropping your bomb. It effects the top speed compared to a clean version of the plane. You need to read through your links carefuly to understand what's going on.

That why going with the option of removing your outter guns you don't gain any additional speed for the lost of weight nor does it affect turning or stall speed. When you remove your outter guns it puts a bomb rack on. Look at your second link. I can also confirm this through experience.

What is adding to the confusion is the fact the A-8 and the A-9 series doesn't suffer from the bomb rack even if you take a bomb. Once you drop your bomb its as if you're in a clean version of the plane. This is a well known error. There are many others I can point out about the FW series but it sorta pointless given nothing will be done about it.

[KG26_Alpha]

The bug was fixed, but the rack was left as having no effect on the aircraft once the bomb was released, as per the last sentence in your post.

I'm just pointing out it was a known bug with the A's that the rack didn't affect the aircraft, though there were/are problems with some of the load outs.

I didn't make a statement declaring anything, just pointed out some know facts.



BTW: the roll rate was/should be affected by removing outer cannons.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

The bug was fixed, but the rack was left as having no effect on the aircraft once the bomb was released, as per the last sentence in your post.

I'm just pointing out it was a known bug with the A's that the rack didn't affect the aircraft, though there were/are problems with some of the load outs.

I didn't make a statement declaring anything, just pointed out some know facts.



BTW: the roll rate was/should be affected by removing outer cannons.

I still don't think you understand... The rack does have an effect on the A4 -A6 and it doesn't on the A8 and A9.

Removing the guns does nothing to affect performance in any way shape or form. By selecting the option it puts a bomb rack on and depending upon the plane it can be some 15kmh slower. There is no performance gain by going with this option in fact your slower than taking a clean version of the plane with full cannons.

Here is the first post in the second link supporting what I've said all along.

"Posted Mon January 26 2004 06:28
I made some simple tests with different Fw-190 loadouts and made some interesting observations. Please forgive me if this subject already has been covered.

First the A-4. I tested topspeed on SL with different loadouts. Settings were full real + speedbar, standart quickmission on the Crimea, steadily racing along the waves. I used 110% power, rad closed and auto-RPM.

Standart loadout: 530 kph
U1: 2x MG151/20: 520 kph
U1: Sc250: 520 kph
U3: Sc500: 520 kph
R1: Sc500: 520 kph

Please note I dropped to bomb first and checked top speed with the corrsponding bomb-rack.

Observations:

-The U1: 2x MG151 option looks absolutly useless to me. While it removes the outer guns and the machineguns ( I guess for better performance ), it adds the centerline bomrack to the plane. So you get a plane with reduced firepower that is actualy slower than with the standart armement ! Any chance to remove the bombrack on this loadout ? To reduce firepower for better performance (*better* ) looks usefull for me.

-The U3 option looks quite useless too, comparing to R1. With R1 you keep the outer guns while carrying a bomb with exactly the same topspeed as with U3. So the presence of the outer guns doesn't seem to have any influence on topspeed. Perhaps it affects rollrate, climrate or maneuverability.


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Now to the A-8:

Same settings, but with WEP.

Standart: 575 kph
Sc500: 575 kph
None: 575 kph

Please note again that I tested speed after droping the bomb to check speed with the rack.

The A-8 model always has the bomrack installed ( graphicaly ) and it actualy seems to carry it all the time FM wise. Top speed with standart armement is identical with top speed after dropping a bomb. This means that even the standart loadout includes the bombrack !
I don't know if late Fw-190 always carried it, but I can hardly imagine they did so ! Is there any chance Oleg can remove that brick from our non-jabo 190 ?"

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

The bomb rack isn't modelled to cause any effect in terms of performance.

This is incorrect when it comes to the A-4 though the A-6 Series. The A-8 and the A-9 the bomb rack isn't modeled.