I get killed as a gunner, so the pilot is dead too?

[Janosch]

Originally Posted by Verdun1916

So for me I like the fact that if I get killed after I have switched to another station the mission is over since it brings an additional level of realism.

This sounds fair in a side-by-side pilot/copilot type situation in a bomber, but it would be unfair for planes like Bf-110 where it's pretty much physically impossible to switch positions between the two (modeled) seats. So, since AI is AI, and human is human (usually human is smarter than AI and therefore makes the decisions), in a situation where you can't get humans to man all seats, it would be better to not kill the player - that is to say the ability to continue playing as a pilot (because you started the mission as a pilot, after all, by Jove) if a gunner dies. Because AI gunner can't even properly report bandits, merely looking through the eyes of a rear gunner is often vital for two seaters. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that, since nobody really flies planes that have bigger crew than two, maybe B5N being the rare exception.

There's one funny thing about switching stations. If you're using a custom pilot skin, it actually gets swapped if you look at your plane from an external view. I strongly object to this feature.

[idefix44]

Using IL-2 Sturmovik, each time you're dead you have to hit the "refly" button.
No matter the seat was occupied.

Why?...

BECAUSE YOU'RE DEAD.

And for me it's good like that.

[Verdun1916]

Originally Posted by idefix44

Using IL-2 Sturmovik, each time you're dead you have to hit the "refly" button.
No matter the seat was occupied.

Why?...

BECAUSE YOU'RE DEAD.

And for me it's good like that.

Well said!

[Nil]

If you want to die Idefix, that is your choice.
You know, I am not like you, some people want to stay alive.
By the way , if I command a gunner and my pilot dies, it would be fair that the game is over, because no pilot, no more possible de fly the plane (like IL2 BOS)

For me it is the best solution!
I hope it will be the default setting for our IL2 one day.

[Pursuivant]

I think that the debate over "dead is dead" vs. "dead just means you have to switch bodies" boils down to player preference.

The debate over whether it's "right" is a debate over play style, with some elements of outrage about "other people having fun in the wrong way."

In multi-player, I can see advantages to having it both ways, but the decision should be up to the mission builder and/or server operator.

For offline, it doesn't matter at all. Just check the appropriate difficulty settings boxes and have fun.

Obviously, "dead is dead" is more realistic, but only if you are attempting to simulate the life of a particular crewman rather than the life of a particular plane crew, or even a particular squadron.

Really, it's a technical issue as to whether the IL2 game engine will support a change to "dead is dead" and whether making the change is a priority for TD.